What's the deal with Vermont?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Vermont strikes me as being a fiercely independent state with a strong tolerance for alternative lifestyles. I get the impression that New England states such as VT, NH, and ME vote democrat much more because they believe the democrats will interfere less in their personal lives than the GOP.

I get that feeling too.  I also believe it has to do with Vermont not really knowing diversity or poverty.  They seem to think that communism can work because they one large homogenous blob of middle-class white people.  If they had areas that differed, those areas would be liberal but the rest of the state would shift to being more conservative

Is that a joke? No one in Vermont is even close to being communistic.

For a state that is proud to have Ben & Jerry's as their native sons and Bernie Sanders as their senators, the fact you could claim they do not have communistic tendicies is absurd

And not to claim that you are a pathetic conservative clown will be more than absurd.

You just haven't any idea of what is communism, and what is the difference with a Social-democrat like Sanders. Sanders says he's a socialist to provoke, but in fact, he is just a proud social-democrat that wants capitalism to be regulated and to correct monstruous inequalities.

But if you conservatives prefer to think that Sanders is an evil stalinian who want to send you to Gulag, to cut capitalist's head and to destroy all your freedom, I will just answer you very quickly : Patriot act, Guantanamo, "pro-life" stances...

And now please try to use what we will call "your brain" before answering again.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Antonio, how many times have you been to Vermont? (hint: living there in Atlasia doesn't count)

I was there a few weeks ago and believe me the people there are communists

[Landslide Lyndon]

Antonio, how many times have you been to Vermont? (hint: living there in Atlasia doesn't count)

I was there a few weeks ago and believe me the people there are communists

If they were indeed communists you'd be rotting in a prison cell right now.

You know as much about communism as I do about neurosurgery.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Antonio, how many times have you been to Vermont? (hint: living there in Atlasia doesn't count)

I was there a few weeks ago and believe me the people there are communists

He's French, so there's a decent chance that he's actually met some real communists (or at least people who vote/used to vote for the PCF). Unlike you.

[hcallega]

Are there gulags in Vermont?

Are Ben and Jerry's faces plastered over backgrounds of cows marching to the beat of a red drum?

Are all the farms forcibly communal, and are all the crops shared by the "people"

Communism is evil, and perhaps posed a greater threat that the Nazi's due to it's ability to oppress via the guise of the people. Vermont is not communist, and is only borderline socialist.

Here are some examples of socialist groups: Sinn Feinn, Old Labor (sort of), The Canadian Liberal Party (sort of)

Here are examples of Communist Groups: The Red Brigade, the U.S.S.R., The People's Republic of China

[Antonio the Sixth]

Vermont is not communist, and is only borderline socialist.

Here are some examples of socialist groups: Sinn Feinn, Old Labor (sort of), The Canadian Liberal Party (sort of)

In fact, I don't think Vermont is even really socialist. Socialism means entirely refusing capitalism and wanting to replace it with another economical system. The only difference with communism being the means chose to reach this goal. But absolutely nobody in Vermont, in CLP or even in french "Parti Socialist" want this. Socialism is dead, and paranoids like DWTL will not manage to revive Red Scare, because today it makes no sense.
Vermont, Sinn Fein, Canadian Liberal Party, are Social-Democratic parties. They believe in a capitalist economic system balanced with some public monopolies for essencial goods and services and some Public Entrerprise in competition with private ones. They believe in highly progressive taxes to correct inequalities, and in grantings for poorest people. But they are definitely pro-capitalist.

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China is anything but a communist state. It is just a savagely capitalist dictatorship who tries to make its citizens believe it's a Communist state. It took the worse of Communist states ( repression, thought police ) and the worse of capitalism ( uncontrolled trusts that treat workers as slaves ).

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Here are some examples of socialist groups: The Canadian Liberal Party (sort of)

Do you realize the stupid thing you just said? Get a clue.

"Parti Socialist" want this.

Don't be so sure.

[Antonio the Sixth]

"Parti Socialist" want this.

Don't be so sure.

LOL

But absolutely nobody in Vermont, in CLP or even in french "Parti Socialist" want this.

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But absolutely nobody in Vermont, in CLP or even in french "Parti Socialist" want this.

Don't be so sure.

[Antonio the Sixth]

But absolutely nobody in Vermont, in CLP or even in french "Parti Socialist" want this.

Don't be so sure.

Maybe Mélenchon in some speechs with militants claimed the contrary, but he wouldn't do it even if he had the possibility.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

I'm just confused as to how Ben & Jerry's is somehow indicative of communism. It's a company that started out as a small business, become a national brand, and then the owners sold it to a mega-corporation. Sounds like a classic American capitalist story to me.

[hcallega]

Here are some examples of socialist groups: The Canadian Liberal Party (sort of)

Do you realize the stupid thing you just said? Get a clue.

Yeah I know it's a stretch. Basiscally i was just trying to think of a left-wing political party, even though they are no were near socialism.

I'm just confused as to how Ben & Jerry's is somehow indicative of communism. It's a company that started out as a small business, become a national brand, and then the owners sold it to a mega-corporation. Sounds like a classic American capitalist story to me.

It's because conservatives are confused that buisnessmen would actually want to give back to the people that enjoy their products. Also they are pretty liberal, so I guess some people assume that they are socialists.

[minionofmidas]

The Liberal Party of Canada is not a left-wing political party. It has a left-wing wing, but that's about it.

[hcallega]

I guess I'm just an ignorant American then!

[Хahar 🤔]

Worth mentioning here that "Communist state" is a clear oxymoron.

The Liberal Party of Canada is not a left-wing political party. It has a left-wing wing, but that's about it.

Yeah, it's basically a centrist conservative party.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Just because Vermont is not a communist state does not mean it does not have communist ideals.  Geez people really need to get a clue

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just because Vermont is not a communist state does not mean it does not have communist ideals.  Geez people really need to get a clue

No. Communist ideals would be if all the Vermonters read "The Capital" and thought every day how to get rid of capitalism by a Great Revolution.

Saying that Vermont has Communist ideals is a bit like if I had said that Texas has Nazi ideals. Totally silly and self-ridiculing.

[Badger]

Antonio, how many times have you been to Vermont? (hint: living there in Atlasia doesn't count)

I was there a few weeks ago and believe me the people there are communists

If they were indeed communists you'd be rotting in a prison cell right now.

You know as much about communism as I do about neurosurgery.

I'd rather you perform brain surgery on me than have DWTL write my term paper on communism.

[Rob]

Vermont has never liked southern-dominated political parties. See, for example, presidential results from 1856 through 1960.

[War on Want]

Vermont strikes me as being a fiercely independent state with a strong tolerance for alternative lifestyles. I get the impression that New England states such as VT, NH, and ME vote democrat much more because they believe the democrats will interfere less in their personal lives than the GOP.

I get that feeling too.  I also believe it has to do with Vermont not really knowing diversity or poverty.  They seem to think that communism can work because they one large homogenous blob of middle-class white people.  If they had areas that differed, those areas would be liberal but the rest of the state would shift to being more conservative

Is that a joke? No one in Vermont is even close to being communistic.

For a state that is proud to have Ben & Jerry's as their native sons and Bernie Sanders as their senators, the fact you could claim they do not have communistic tendicies is absurd

Yo penisface do you know what Social Democracy is and why the upper middle class might support that but never communism?

[War on Want]

Just because Vermont is not a communist state does not mean it does not have communist ideals.  Geez people really need to get a clue

Did your parents run over your head when you were a baby? Nothing Vermont has ever supported has even been remotley communistic. Nothing. Maybe there is some slight socialism in some of their politics but even then I highly doubt that more than 10% of people in Vermont think that way.

OMG GUYZ SO COMMUNIST:

[Badger]

Just because Vermont is not a communist state does not mean it does not have communist ideals.  Geez people really need to get a clue

Did your parents run over your head when you were a baby? Nothing Vermont has ever supported has even been remotley communistic. Nothing. Maybe there is some slight socialism in some of their politics but even then I highly doubt that more than 10% of people in Vermont think that way.

OMG GUYZ SO COMMUNIST:

Relax, dude. DWTL has drank too much of the right wing kool aid that ANYTHING the government does beyond the military, border patrol and court system is "socialist/communist/facist". They don't understand the actual meanings of those terms and don't care either. It's just a way of saying "we hate Obama and liberalism" because, frankly, they've got nothing to offer but more of W's policies under a new candidate's face (TBD).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Relax, dude. DWTL has drank too much of the right wing kool aid that ANYTHING the government does beyond the military, border patrol and court system is "socialist/communist/facist". They don't understand the actual meanings of those terms and don't care either. It's just a way of saying "we hate Obama and liberalism" because, frankly, they've got nothing to offer but more of W's policies under a new candidate's face (TBD).

[Хahar 🤔]

It's just a way of saying "we hate Obama and liberalism" because, frankly, they've got nothing to offer but more of W's policies under a new candidate's face (TBD).

If that was the case, then they have their candidate:

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I know what communism is!!!!!

Liberalism = communism. Right?