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« on: July 30, 2009, 06:36:20 PM »

For me he was a deeply HP

1. Committed racist, refused to admitt Black student to Princeton
2. White Supremacist, who introduced segregation in federal offices
3. Hypocrite, talking neraly exlusively about idealism, but also ordered number of cruel and unjust military interventions
4. For long time undecided regarding World War I
5. Blew up a huge opportunity, League of Nation (yes, this was not only GOP and Lodge fault, Wilson refused to any compromise)
6. Religious fanatic
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2009, 07:49:37 PM »

For me he was a deeply HP

1. Committed racist, refused to admitt Black student to Princeton
2. White Supremacist, who introduced segregation in federal offices
3. Hypocrite, talking neraly exlusively about idealism, but also ordered number of cruel and unjust military interventions
4. For long time undecided regarding World War I
5. Blew up a huge opportunity, League of Nation (yes, this was not only GOP and Lodge fault, Wilson refused to any compromise)
6. Religious fanatic

Yes indeed. How the hell do Democrats excuse this BS? It's shocking how high this bastard is rated by people.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 07:56:38 PM »

He wasn't undecided about World War I.  He actively took steps to prop up the Entente Powers as early as 1915.  He was definitely not the paragon of neutrality his supporters like to claim.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 09:11:18 PM »

An HP who did a few positive, constructive things.  But hell, even The Decider managed to preserve some large tracts of endangered ocean.  So even a complete idiot can do something decent once in awhile.

Wilson's racism was real and it was and is indefensible.

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 10:58:17 PM »

Horrible person.

Segregated the federal government, cheated the American taxpayer, anti-progressive policies, got bullied into supporting his only true "accomplishments" by Republicans, got us sucked into a war for big business interests when we had no real reason for involvement. Lesson from Lusitania- don't send Americans into war zones. Wilson was a vile president and is evidenced by the 1920 election.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 11:03:30 PM »


A diamond among dung.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 11:15:30 PM »


"Progressive", then, I believe to be different from progressive now. The reforms undertaken by TR were very well necessary, fair, efficient, and overall good for America. Wilson fought against woman's suffrage and the like. Except for union support, which was a very bad policy of the Progressives.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 10:05:44 AM »


"Progressive", then, I believe to be different from progressive now. The reforms undertaken by TR were very well necessary, fair, efficient, and overall good for America. Wilson fought against woman's suffrage and the like. Except for union support, which was a very bad policy of the Progressives.

Oh yes, I forgot about his opposition to woman's suffrage

Wilson always in fact remained an unreconstructed son of antabellum Dixie
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 02:26:42 PM »

FF.

Of course, I think personally he was a SOB and a dirty racist. But led America through WW1 and introduced internationalism to America. And proved that Isolationism is nothing  but a cowardly and failed policy.

SO in general :

Personally : Asshole, HP
On a ideological scale : FF
Foreign policy : FF
Presidency : FF for the most part



He was a decent democratic  president.
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 04:33:34 PM »

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators and women suffrage.  Other than that I have no respect for his demeanor towards black suffage.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 04:44:02 PM »

Piece of crap who did very little good things.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 06:02:31 PM »

Unparralelled sh**tbag.
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 06:24:51 PM »

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators and women suffrage.

You do realize that none of those were due to Wilson.  Leaving aside the fact that Presidents can do nothing except make use of the bully pulpit to get amendments passed, he didn't even do that much.  The 16th and 17th Amendments were sent to the States for ratification while Taft was President. New Jersey (where Wilson had been governor) never ratified the 16th and only ratified the 17th after Wilson had resigned as Governor to become President.  (Not that Governors have anything more to do with passing amendments than do Presidents, but you'd think that if he were staunchly behind them, he'd have have gotten New Jersey to ratify them before he resigned on March 1.)

On Women's suffrage the evidence is quite clear that he had to be dragged into supporting it once it became the politically popular thing to do.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 05:57:48 AM »

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators and women suffrage.  Other than that I have no respect for his demeanor towards black suffage.

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 09:25:38 AM »

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators and women suffrage.

You do realize that none of those were due to Wilson.  Leaving aside the fact that Presidents can do nothing except make use of the bully pulpit to get amendments passed, he didn't even do that much.  The 16th and 17th Amendments were sent to the States for ratification while Taft was President. New Jersey (where Wilson had been governor) never ratified the 16th and only ratified the 17th after Wilson had resigned as Governor to become President.  (Not that Governors have anything more to do with passing amendments than do Presidents, but you'd think that if he were staunchly behind them, he'd have have gotten New Jersey to ratify them before he resigned on March 1.)

On Women's suffrage the evidence is quite clear that he had to be dragged into supporting it once it became the politically popular thing to do.

All I was saying that he was one of the first Democratic reform president of our time.  He took alot of initiatives of the Teddy Roosevelt era and perhaps if Hughes would of been president he would of done the same.  Woodrow Wilson, first Democratic reform president.
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2009, 10:28:19 AM »

Among the worst of the worst.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2009, 05:05:00 PM »

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators and women suffrage.

You do realize that none of those were due to Wilson.  Leaving aside the fact that Presidents can do nothing except make use of the bully pulpit to get amendments passed, he didn't even do that much.  The 16th and 17th Amendments were sent to the States for ratification while Taft was President. New Jersey (where Wilson had been governor) never ratified the 16th and only ratified the 17th after Wilson had resigned as Governor to become President.  (Not that Governors have anything more to do with passing amendments than do Presidents, but you'd think that if he were staunchly behind them, he'd have have gotten New Jersey to ratify them before he resigned on March 1.)

On Women's suffrage the evidence is quite clear that he had to be dragged into supporting it once it became the politically popular thing to do.

All I was saying that he was one of the first Democratic reform president of our time.  He took alot of initiatives of the Teddy Roosevelt era and perhaps if Hughes would of been president he would of done the same.  Woodrow Wilson, first Democratic reform president.

The first anti-reform President, well not the first. But he wasn't a reformer, he was a dick, a racist, a corrupt bastard, a warmonger, and just plain wrong. No one should defend this man's record.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2009, 05:33:32 PM »

I'm not really a fan of KKK members.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2009, 11:19:52 AM »

For me he was a deeply HP

1. Committed racist, refused to admitt Black student to Princeton
2. White Supremacist, who introduced segregation in federal offices
3. Hypocrite, talking neraly exlusively about idealism, but also ordered number of cruel and unjust military interventions
4. For long time undecided regarding World War I
5. Blew up a huge opportunity, League of Nation (yes, this was not only GOP and Lodge fault, Wilson refused to any compromise)
6. Religious fanatic

Yes indeed. How the hell do Democrats excuse this BS? It's shocking how high this bastard is rated by people.

We excuse that BS? Tongue

Obviously massive HP.  Even the part where his foreign policy was somehow both more naïvely idealistic than mine in some ways.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 10:22:27 PM »

A truly massive HP.

The very definition of a "Liberal Fascist."
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »
« Edited: August 13, 2009, 07:14:42 AM by Mechman »

For me he was a deeply HP

1. Committed racist, refused to admitt Black student to Princeton
2. White Supremacist, who introduced segregation in federal offices
3. Hypocrite, talking neraly exlusively about idealism, but also ordered number of cruel and unjust military interventions
4. For long time undecided regarding World War I
5. Blew up a huge opportunity, League of Nation (yes, this was not only GOP and Lodge fault, Wilson refused to any compromise)
6. Religious fanatic

Yes indeed. How the hell do Democrats excuse this BS? It's shocking how high this bastard is rated by people.

We excuse that BS? Tongue

Obviously massive HP.  Even the part where his foreign policy was somehow both more naïvely idealistic than mine in some ways.

Well not on here, Democrats seem to have a brain on this website (as does everybody else). I've seen numerous sources however (granted both liberal as well as conservative) that rank this bastard pretty highly. I just figured with the Democrat's supposed social liberalism nowdays they wouldn't still think highly of this bastard. Apparently I'm wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents#Scholar_survey_results

Now all those scholars can't be all Republicans, can they?
Again, this is not a criticism of Atlas Democrats, just uninformed Democrats (mostly in the general populace) who praise the guy for his economic progressivism while completely ignoring his socially backasswards views.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2009, 01:26:37 AM »

A truly massive HP.

The very definition of a "Liberal Fascist."

Except that a) he wasn't a fascist, b) he wasn't liberal, and c) that doesn't make sense.

HP, though.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2009, 03:46:29 PM »

Lets see, shall we?

1. Founded the Federal Reserve
2. Got America involved in WW1
3. Racist bastard
4. Religious nutcase

Massive HP, one of the biggest failures of a president in US history.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2009, 03:51:41 PM »


Yes. As we all know, the Center of the World was quite capable of winning itself.
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2009, 04:00:14 PM »


Yes. As we all know, the Center of the World was quite capable of winning itself.

Look, troll, the Allies could have won anyway. Had America stayed out, Germany could have been balkanised and that would have been that. I'm a British isolationist, and frankly I prefer that we'd have stayed out of WW1, but there you go.
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