Opinion of Penn and Teller

[President Mitt]

What do you think of the self proclaimed, Athiests, Libertarians, Skeptics, and Magicians Penn Jillete and Teller (legal Name).

I say Option Uno.

[Mechaman]

Epic winners. They put all the smugfag assholes in their places (ie super duper religious people, envirofacists, Animal Right's extremists, etc)

[Lunar]

I like them a lot.  I wish I had a connection to download a bunch of new Bullsh!t episodes, that would help pass the time a lot

[??????????]

I thought everyone stopped caring about them after 1995?

[JSojourner]

They pretty much bore me.

[fezzyfestoon]

I thought everyone stopped caring about them after 1995?

[dead0man]

Yes because only cool people cared before 1995!

[DownWithTheLeft]

I was exactly going to post the same exact thread

They are huge FFs

[Person Man]

Hey, if they were in charge, it would be easier to get laid. Nuff' said.

[Mint]

Heroes.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Disgusting trash.

And people keep saying this is a left-leaning forum. Any moron beleiving that needs to read the polls.

[John Dibble]

I've watched a few of their episodes of Bulls**t! - they were pretty good.

[7,052,770]

Bullsh**t is a great show, except when they rant on environmental issues (which they only do a couple of times, so it's no big deal).  Usually, they're spot on.

[patrick1]

Epic winners. They put all the smugfag assholes in their places (ie super duper religious people, envirofacists, Animal Right's extremists, etc)

Whilst managing to be smug themselves in the process. 

[Person Man]

Well, I am not comfortable about their conservatism or just plaining bearishness when it comes to new technology, but they trash the daddy state(anti-sex,guns,abortion,drugs,homosexuals,ethno-sectarian nationalism and anti-civil freedom) more than they do the nanny state (and for the most part they rant against animal rights, radical environmentalism and other anti-growth, population reduction ideas).

[dead0man]

I don't understand how they are "conservative".  They certainly aren't conservative in the same way Rush is or Palin is or even the same kind of conservative that Dennis Miller is.  What makes them "Conservative", is it the pro-gun thing?  Is it the anti-environmentalism?  They only bash on the extremists (and use facts to do it and as leftists always tell us, facts have a liberal bias).  They are HUGE on showing naked people every chance they get.  They rip on Christian Fundies a LOT.  I suppose anybody with talent that doesn't hate guns and read from the Green Bible must be a conservative?  How broad of a term (and worthless) is "conservative" if both Penn Jillette and Pat Robertson are included?

[Eraserhead]

Why the hell would I spend time listening to the political viewpoints of these two characters?  Also, I agree with jsojourner, I've always found them to be quite dull in general.

[7,052,770]

I don't understand how they are "conservative".  They certainly aren't conservative in the same way Rush is or Palin is or even the same kind of conservative that Dennis Miller is.  What makes them "Conservative", is it the pro-gun thing?  Is it the anti-environmentalism?  They only bash on the extremists (and use facts to do it and as leftists always tell us, facts have a liberal bias).  They are HUGE on showing naked people every chance they get.  They rip on Christian Fundies a LOT.  I suppose anybody with talent that doesn't hate guns and read from the Green Bible must be a conservative?  How broad of a term (and worthless) is "conservative" if both Penn Jillette and Pat Robertson are included?

If they wouldn't trash environmentalism (and I mean reasonable environmentalism based on science, not hippie nutjobs...those deserve to be trashed), they would be perfect FF's.  Even as it is, they are FF's with a good tv show.

[dead0man]

What reasonable environmentalism have they trashed?


(obviously how we define "reasonable environmentalism" may differ a great deal)

[dead0man]

Here is what the shows have been calling shenanigans on ("left" positions in red, "conservative" positions in blue:
Season1
talking to the dead
alternative medicine
UFO/aliens
Christian "Left Behind" and other survivor types
Second hand smoke
Penis and breast enlargement
Feng Shui
creationism/InteligentDesign
selfhelp/firewalking
ESP
dieting
ouija board and near death experiences
environment fearmongering

S2
PETA
terrorism hysteria/mad cow disease fear
monogamy
war on drugs
recycling
biblical accuracy
New Age BS
plastic surgery
funeral services
profanity/FCC
Alcoholics Anonymous
home based exercise equipment
hypnotherapy

S3
circumcision
monogamy (again) and trying to "fix" homos
911truthers, Moon landing fakes and JFK assassination crap
life coaching
critical view of Mother Teresa, Gandhi and Dalai Lama
political correctness and diversity requirements at Uni's
govt surveillance and govt encroachment into our private lives
gun control
ghost hunters
the Endangered Species Act
supernatural signs
needless luxury

S4
gays in the boy scouts/mormons
prostitution laws
capital punishment
WTC rebuilding
obsesive pet owners
reparations
abstinence only education

S5
obesity epidemic
Wal-Mart haters
colon detoxification
exorcisms
Minutemen (the border guys,  not opebo)
American with Disabilities Act
Mount Rushmore
nuclear power haters
anger management classes

S6
porno regulation on the internet
govt funded space programs
carbon credits
sensitivity training
child safety
remembering the "good ole days"

S7
astrology
video games and teen violence
dec 21 2012 idiots
polygraph tests
organic food
US tax code



Conservative?  I think not.

[7,052,770]

What reasonable environmentalism have they trashed?

To suggest that there is no scientific consensus on global warming is outright wrong. And yes, I know they put the disclaimer on the episode "Being Green" and all that, but still...in all of their episodes about environmental stuff they use some loony hippie to represent the left rather than someone mainstream.

[Mechaman]

I don't understand how they are "conservative".  They certainly aren't conservative in the same way Rush is or Palin is or even the same kind of conservative that Dennis Miller is.  What makes them "Conservative", is it the pro-gun thing?  Is it the anti-environmentalism?  They only bash on the extremists (and use facts to do it and as leftists always tell us, facts have a liberal bias).  They are HUGE on showing naked people every chance they get.  They rip on Christian Fundies a LOT.  I suppose anybody with talent that doesn't hate guns and read from the Green Bible must be a conservative?  How broad of a term (and worthless) is "conservative" if both Penn Jillette and Pat Robertson are included?

A-Fucking Men.
Why don't we just label ole Mechboy here a "Conservative" if we go ahead and label Penn Jillette as one?

[Eraserhead]

What the hell is wrong with the Endangered Species Act?

[dead0man]

(form memory of the episode)

Their main argument was it was often very hard on the rights of property owners.  They highlighted a handicapped woman in Florida who couldn't build a home on a small chunk of land she owned because there were Scrub Jays that live in the area.  Meanwhile across the street was a large condo development sprouting up.  It seems if you have money you can buy off the govt (also, sky is blue), but regular Joes get screwed.

They didn't particularly sell me on that one.

[John Dibble]

What reasonable environmentalism have they trashed?

To suggest that there is no scientific consensus on global warming is outright wrong. And yes, I know they put the disclaimer on the episode "Being Green" and all that, but still...in all of their episodes about environmental stuff they use some loony hippie to represent the left rather than someone mainstream.

And in all their episodes about religion they use some loony right wing fundie rather than someone mainstream. Wasn't it said that they bash mainly the extremists?