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« on: March 03, 2004, 01:03:53 pm »
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Curious to see among us political junkies if there are, in fact, any undecided voters. My guess is 1 at the max.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2004, 01:49:02 pm »
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okay, I'll come out of that closet.  Some days I lean Bush, other days I lean against bush.  Some days I want whoever wins to win more decisively than last time, other days I want to see a 269-269 tie (a real treat, you could live a hundred years and never see that!).  I have a Sierra Club backpack with an big USA flag pin on it.  I've never owned a gun in my life but the thought that these authoritarian liberals want to restrict 2nd amendment rights makes me scared.  I like lynyrd skynyrd and Bob Marley songs equally.  Sometimes I drink hard liquor down at the Oak door with the rebel-flag waving crowd, and sometimes my woman and I sip gritty cote-du-rhone with my neighbor Phillipe, from Toulouse.  I don't ever want to see my country turn into nasty hate-filled continent that my 4 grandparents fled.  An undecided voter is an informed voter.  Free your minds.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2004, 01:51:35 pm »
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That was very profound, Angus. I especially like the Skynyrd and Marley songs. I love Marley, among other reggae highlights, like Luciano, The Upsetters, Lee "Scratch" Perry, etc.

But that you're not blinded towards one party, that's cool.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2004, 02:14:04 pm »
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okay, I'll come out of that closet.  Some days I lean Bush, other days I lean against bush.  Some days I want whoever wins to win more decisively than last time, other days I want to see a 269-269 tie (a real treat, you could live a hundred years and never see that!).  I have a Sierra Club backpack with an big USA flag pin on it.  I've never owned a gun in my life but the thought that these authoritarian liberals want to restrict 2nd amendment rights makes me scared.  I like lynyrd skynyrd and Bob Marley songs equally.  Sometimes I drink hard liquor down at the Oak door with the rebel-flag waving crowd, and sometimes my woman and I sip gritty cote-du-rhone with my neighbor Phillipe, from Toulouse.  I don't ever want to see my country turn into nasty hate-filled continent that my 4 grandparents fled.  An undecided voter is an informed voter.  Free your minds.

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You mean to say you would consider voting for Kerry?!
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2004, 02:19:57 pm »
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I'm leaning towards Nader, because someone told me that Kerry actually supported the failed welfare "reform" law.

But if what they said about Kerry supporting it is untrue, then it's a terrible slander against him.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2004, 02:22:28 pm »
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I'm leaning towards Nader, because someone told me that Kerry actually supported the failed welfare "reform" law.

But if what they said about Kerry supporting it is untrue, then it's a terrible slander against him.

I think he did support that one.  It was rough having a time limit placed on one's Food Stamps eh?

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2004, 03:34:10 pm »
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Must one actually have the right to vote to vote on this poll? Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2004, 03:34:35 pm »
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I had 7 people on my presidential ballot in MA in 2000.  I considered all of them to be serious candidates.  You should too.  I note that Republicans are generally more optimistic than Democrats.  Of course it's easy to be optimistic when one has a big bank account, a good job, excellent insurance benefits, a comfortable and well-appointed apartment, and six weeks per year paid vacation, as do I, or if one is filthy rich, as apparently are you, but let's try not to forget the less fortunate.  I do not support socialized medicine, but I do think US public school standards and US military capability should be second to none.  Sometimes, but not always, we must be willing to forego the big tax breaks in deference to other pressing needs.  I thought long and hard about it before becoming a republican, and managed to alienate just about everyone I know when I did, but I did so out of concern for this great nation.  The democrats are just too unyielding and easily led by fools and tricksters, and Declined-to-State doesn't give you any real input in the process.  I think Bush can win, but I would not underestimate Kerry.  You'll hear many stories about him over the next several months, some of which will be true, some will not, but Kerry is a worthy opponent for President Bush.  I say with conviction:  Let the best man win.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2004, 03:35:44 pm »
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I had 7 people on my presidential ballot in MA in 2000.  I considered all of them to be serious candidates.  You should too.  I note that Republicans are generally more optimistic than Democrats.  Of course it's easy to be optimistic when one has a big bank account, a good job, excellent insurance benefits, a comfortable and well-appointed apartment, and six weeks per year paid vacation, as do I, or if one is filthy rich, as apparently are you, but let's try not to forget the less fortunate.  I do not support socialized medicine, but I do think US public school standards and US military capability should be second to none.  Sometimes, but not always, we must be willing to forego the big tax breaks in deference to other pressing needs.  I thought long and hard about it before becoming a republican, and managed to alienate just about everyone I know when I did, but I did so out of concern for this great nation.  The democrats are just too unyielding and easily led by fools and tricksters, and Declined-to-State doesn't give you any real input in the process.  I think Bush can win, but I would not underestimate Kerry.  You'll hear many stories about him over the next several months, some of which will be true, some will not, but Kerry is a worthy opponent for President Bush.  I say with conviction:  Let the best man win.

Good points, imo. But I wouldn't bet on getting Opebo to agree with you on that... Wink
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2004, 04:10:41 pm »
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Please don't vote for Nader, or answer to support him in a telephone poll. Vote for another third party, because we don't need for him to succeed at all this time around.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2004, 04:17:43 pm »
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I had 7 people on my presidential ballot in MA in 2000.  I considered all of them to be serious candidates.  You should too.  I note that Republicans are generally more optimistic than Democrats.  Of course it's easy to be optimistic when one has a big bank account, a good job, excellent insurance benefits, a comfortable and well-appointed apartment, and six weeks per year paid vacation, as do I, or if one is filthy rich, as apparently are you, but let's try not to forget the less fortunate.  I do not support socialized medicine, but I do think US public school standards and US military capability should be second to none.  Sometimes, but not always, we must be willing to forego the big tax breaks in deference to other pressing needs.  I thought long and hard about it before becoming a republican, and managed to alienate just about everyone I know when I did, but I did so out of concern for this great nation.  The democrats are just too unyielding and easily led by fools and tricksters, and Declined-to-State doesn't give you any real input in the process.  I think Bush can win, but I would not underestimate Kerry.  You'll hear many stories about him over the next several months, some of which will be true, some will not, but Kerry is a worthy opponent for President Bush.  I say with conviction:  Let the best man win.

Kerry is no doubt a good man, but not the right man for the Presidency at this time.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2004, 05:09:12 pm »
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I'm voting for treeface
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2004, 05:47:43 pm »
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But that you're not blinded towards one party, that's cool.

As you are now, I once was.  
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2004, 06:23:15 pm »
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Please don't vote for Nader, or answer to support him in a telephone poll. Vote for another third party, because we don't need for him to succeed at all this time around.

What's the difference between him and another third party?
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2004, 06:28:08 pm »
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The media gives Nader attention this election, and we need to end this because he has already had his chance at gaining.
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2004, 06:42:52 pm »
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The media chewed him up last time, and I would bet that half the people who thought they voted for him didn't even have their votes counted.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2004, 06:45:23 pm »
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The media chewed him up last time, and I would bet that half the people who thought they voted for him didn't even have their votes counted.

word.  I especially like the way the gore team had Richard Daley, of all people, to scurry out of his hole and head down to Florida.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2004, 08:40:15 pm »
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Please don't vote for Nader, or answer to support him in a telephone poll. Vote for another third party, because we don't need for him to succeed at all this time around.

What's the difference between him and another third party?

So he doesn't run in 2008
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2004, 04:32:53 pm »
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But that you're not blinded towards one party, that's cool.

As you are now, I once was.  

Psh, not by a long shot. State/local elections in Nov. I'll vote for who I think is the best candidate, regardless of party. For the Presidency, I've looked at both candidates, and Kerry clearly seems better for me Smiley

Actually, I was biased toward one of the circuit judges in the Democratic primary, but that's only because he's a friend of the family.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2004, 11:10:33 pm »
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I have voted minor party presidential candidates in every election since 1988, except 1992. Yes, the year everybody else was voting Perot, I voted Clinton. (I was voting from overseas during the window of time when Perot was out, so I might have voted for him on E-day, but prob not.)

I want Bush out. He's an unmitigated disaster and I don't like his style.

However, I have real trouble voting for Kerry. It's partly the Iraq War vote, but I kinda thought he was a weasal before this. If Kerry wants my vote I want to hear a specific plan on Iraq that makes sense. I'd also like to hear a commitment to leveling the playing field for non-major party candidates. In general I want to hear specifics on the big issues, like Social Security.
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2004, 11:19:47 pm »
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That's reasonable. This positions are still pretty vague as far as I know; that might have helped him through the primaries but now it's time for him to clarify his plans on the big issues.

Regarding leveling the playing field for other parties... that would involve massive electoral reform, and I don't hear anyone well-known who's even said a thing about that for a few years.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2004, 01:01:54 am »
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You mention that Bush is 'an unmitigated disaster' and that you don't like his style.  Many don't, many do.  I don't much give a goddamned one way or another.  I was more curious about your position on Kerry.  It's true that he voted for Operation Iraqi Freedom, but against the later vote on 87b funding.  Whatever.  We're stuck now.  What's the plan, boss?

And that third party thing is a bitch.  You'll have maybe seven candidates.  Walter Brown has been nominated by the Socialist Party.  Howard Phillips will be Constitutionalist Party nominee.  Ralph Nader may be on the ballot on your state.  Bush and Kerry.  Probably a libertarian and a green.  Maybe a commie.  Maybe a reform party guy.  Anyone you know have a plan for Iraq?  Or Social Security?
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2004, 02:10:51 am »
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okay, I'll come out of that closet.  Some days I lean Bush, other days I lean against bush.  Some days I want whoever wins to win more decisively than last time, other days I want to see a 269-269 tie (a real treat, you could live a hundred years and never see that!).  I have a Sierra Club backpack with an big USA flag pin on it.  I've never owned a gun in my life but the thought that these authoritarian liberals want to restrict 2nd amendment rights makes me scared.  I like lynyrd skynyrd and Bob Marley songs equally.  Sometimes I drink hard liquor down at the Oak door with the rebel-flag waving crowd, and sometimes my woman and I sip gritty cote-du-rhone with my neighbor Phillipe, from Toulouse.  I don't ever want to see my country turn into nasty hate-filled continent that my 4 grandparents fled.  An undecided voter is an informed voter.  Free your minds.

Who took away my Ritlin?

No, an undecided voter is not an informed voter.  I don't care who you vote for, but you ought to have some kind of coherent political philosophy that guides you toward a candidate.  The fact that you don't seem to doesn't make you an informed voter.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2004, 02:12:54 am »
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