Ohio Sen. George Voinovich-the problem with the GOP is the rednecks

[dead0man]

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Can this be good for the party?  The GOP is either going to have to shove the Fundies back into the corner, out of the party, or turn into a regional party.  Man I hope it gets real ugly in the meantime too, I love this stuff.  Plus, it greatly increases the chance of another party popping up I could actually vote for.

[Joe Republic]

As much as I agree, these comments would have more impact if Voinovich weren't about to go from nearly irrelevant to completely irrelevant in eighteen months' time.

[JSojourner]

As much as I agree, these comments would have more impact if Voinovich weren't about to go from nearly irrelevant to completely irrelevant in eighteen months' time.

He's definitely going to retire into the obscurity of a former Senator.  So you're right, Joe.  But I wish it were different.  A guy who was a successful mayor (credited by some with saving Cleveland), an excellent governor and a thoughtful senator deserves to be considered relevant.  Alas, in our culture, holding office is everything.  Unless you are a former President, being a "former anything else" assigns you to the scrap heap.

I have to think if former Republicans like Howard Baker, Nancy Kassebaum and Alan Simpson had been considered "relevant", their party might not be in the hands of the very mouth-breathers Voinovich is concerned about.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

the problem with the GOP is with that attempt to adhere to the bible?

what an idiotic comment

[fezzyfestoon]

It had to be said as it is completely true.  But Joe's right.  I can only hope that others come out in agreement.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

He would've never have said this if he wasn't retiring.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

true story

[Landslide Lyndon]

He's definitely going to retire into the obscurity of a former Senator.  So you're right, Joe.  But I wish it were different.  A guy who was a successful mayor (credited by some with saving Cleveland), an excellent governor and a thoughtful senator deserves to be considered relevant.  Alas, in our culture, holding office is everything.  Unless you are a former President, being a "former anything else" assigns you to the scrap heap.

Can someone explain to me then why the hell the traditional media give so much of their precious time and space to former nobodies like Liz Cheney and John Bolton?

As for the Southerners, I think Andrew Sullivan nailed it with the following quote:

"The South is a very difficult base to manage. Like a cuckoo, it tends to kick other allies out of the nest, be it a Democratic nest in the past or the Republican nest now."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2006/05/the_south_vs_th.html
 

[minionofmidas]

the problem with the GOP is with that attempt to adhere to the bible?

what an idiotic comment

Which one? Where does the bible command to "get on TV and go err, err"?

[DariusNJ]

He's right.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

the problem with the GOP is with that attempt to adhere to the bible?

what an idiotic comment

Which one? Where does the bible command to "get on TV and go err, err"?

I must have missed 60 Minutes.  What are you saying?

[WalterMitty]

voinovich is whining even before he loses.

what a clown.

[Bono]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

[Lief 🗽]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

No, probably just because he's read the constitution.

[Verily]

voinovich is whining even before he loses.

what a clown.

He's retiring.

[War on Want]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

No, probably just because he's read the constitution.

instantrimshot.com

[Bono]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

No, probably just because he's read the constitution.

Oh, was what he read in the part giving the President the power to run car companies?

[CARLHAYDEN]

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Can this be good for the party?  The GOP is either going to have to shove the Fundies back into the corner, out of the party, or turn into a regional party.  Man I hope it gets real ugly in the meantime too, I love this stuff.  Plus, it greatly increases the chance of another party popping up I could actually vote for.

Voinovich is an ass!

He believes that serfdom is the best form of government and that the serfs should shut up and let their "masters" run things unopposed.

He is a leading advocate of bigger, and bigger government.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

No, probably just because he's read the constitution.

Oh, was what he read in the part giving the President the power to run car companies?

Bono, a Federal law mandating concealed carry reciprocity would be just as constitutional as for example a Federal law mandating that marriage reciprocity (i.e. States could be forced to recognize gay marriages).  Neither proposed law would be constitutional though, as they both contravene the 10th Amendment.

As for GM and Chrysler, the Federal Government owning large chunks of them is at least as constitutional as owning shares in the Bank of the United States, and that issue was settled back in the 19th century.  Indeed, as an exercise of the Bankruptcy Clause, it could be argued that it is on a stronger Constitution footing.

[JSojourner]

He's definitely going to retire into the obscurity of a former Senator.  So you're right, Joe.  But I wish it were different.  A guy who was a successful mayor (credited by some with saving Cleveland), an excellent governor and a thoughtful senator deserves to be considered relevant.  Alas, in our culture, holding office is everything.  Unless you are a former President, being a "former anything else" assigns you to the scrap heap.

Can someone explain to me then why the hell the traditional media give so much of their precious time and space to former nobodies like Liz Cheney and John Bolton?

 

Because they are not former office holders.  They are continual gasbags.  The media tend to love those.  On the left, think Al Sharpton.  On the right?  Well...you named a couple of lulus right there.

[Saxwsylvania]

George Voinovich is a washed-up loser who is the very essence of a Washington insider.  He is part of the moderate wing of the GOP that has consistently lost elections since the 1940s.  He has no right to complain about 'problems' in the Republican Party.

[fezzyfestoon]

My favorite part of the side that apparently disagrees is that they're not even bothering to defend against the accusations, they're just attacking Voinovich.  By the way that's called ad hominem and it's a logical fallacy.  Meaning it doesn't make his point any less valid.

[Bono]

Was this the reason this scumbag voted against concealed carry reciprocity?

No, probably just because he's read the constitution.

Oh, was what he read in the part giving the President the power to run car companies?

Bono, a Federal law mandating concealed carry reciprocity would be just as constitutional as for example a Federal law mandating that marriage reciprocity (i.e. States could be forced to recognize gay marriages).  Neither proposed law would be constitutional though, as they both contravene the 10th Amendment.

As for GM and Chrysler, the Federal Government owning large chunks of them is at least as constitutional as owning shares in the Bank of the United States, and that issue was settled back in the 19th century.  Indeed, as an exercise of the Bankruptcy Clause, it could be argued that it is on a stronger Constitution footing.

It would be constitutional under the full faith and credit clause. The proposed law would respect the public policy exception, since the two states that do not allow concealed carry would still not be required to recognize any permits.

[AkSaber]

Rednecks are the problem?

This whole thing about Republicans wanting to bailout the wealthy, and telling everyone else to go to hell, isn't hurting? O_o

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

You're absolutelly right, George

But it's good you retiring anyway