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« on: August 09, 2009, 12:00:14 pm »
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Much needed!

Assuming, unrealistically, you had a choice between all parties.

Doing this with hindsight, personally.

1867: Conservative
1872: Liberal
1874: Liberal
1878: Liberal
1882: Liberal
1887: Liberal or Nationalist Conservative
1891: Liberal or Nationalist Conservative
1896: Patrons of Industry or Liberal
1900: Liberal
1904: Liberal
1908: Liberal
1911: Liberal
1917: Liberal (Laurier)
1921: Progressive
1925: Liberal or Progressive
1926: Progressive
1930: Liberal
1935: Liberal
1940: National Government
1945: Liberal
1949: Liberal
1953: Liberal
1957: Liberal
1958: Liberal
1962: Liberal
1963: Liberal
1968: PC
1972: PC
1974: PC
1979: PC
1980: Rhino
1984: Rhino
1988: Rhino
1993: Liberal
1997: Liberal
2000: Liberal
2004: Green
2006: Green
2008: Green
Next: Liberal

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 01:38:54 pm »
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All elections: Liberal
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 01:47:24 pm »
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All elections: Liberal

rofl. Really?
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 02:05:35 pm »
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I'm not the specialist for Canadian politics, but i think i never vote Conservative. In the early years i vote for the Liberals and in the modern times i vote for the NDP. When i live in Quebec it is possible that i vote sometimes for the BQ.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 06:12:46 pm »
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Probably NDP. Anyways, I probably need to acknowledge Canadian politics better.
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All elections: Liberal

rofl. Really?

Didn't you know that I'm highly partisian piece of crap? Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 06:52:01 pm »
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All elections: Liberal

rofl. Really?

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You support socialist/social democratic parties in all other countries but not in Canada?
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 03:26:37 am »
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1867: Liberal
1872: Liberal
1872: Liberal
1874: Liberal
1878: Conservative
1882: Conservative
1887: Conservative
1891: Conservative
1896: Conservative
1900: Conservative
1904: Conservative
1908: Conservative
1911: Conservative
1917: Unionist
1921: Labour
1925: Labour
1926: Conservative
1930: Conservative
1935: Cooperative Commonwealth
1940: Conservative
1945: Cooperative Commonwealth
1949: Cooperative Commonwealth
1953: Cooperative Commonwealth
1957: Cooperative Commonwealth
1958: Progressive Conservative
1962: New Democrats
1963: New Democrats
1965: New Democrats
1968: Liberals
1972: Liberals
1974: Liberals
1979: New Democrats
1980: New Democrats
1984: New Democrats
1988: New Democrats
1993: New Democrats
1997: New Democrats
2000: New Democrats
2004: New Democrats
2006: New Democrats
2008: New Democrats (Though I'd vote Lib or BQ even to defeat a Tory)
Next: New Democrats (see above)

Conservative/PC/Unionist: 14
NDP: 11
Liberal: 7
CCF: 5
Labour: 2
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All elections: Liberal

rofl. Really?

Didn't you know that I'm highly partisian piece of crap? Wink

You support socialist/social democratic parties in all other countries but not in Canada?

Er, becuase they are major party.

The same reason I'd vote for Democrats in every election instead of Greens
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 10:00:15 am »
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The NDP is far more relevant (and useful) than the US Greens could ever dream of being. There's no comparison.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2009, 04:46:58 pm »
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1867: Conservative
1872: Liberal
1874: Liberal
1878: Liberal
1882: Liberal
1887: Liberal
1891: Liberal
1896: Liberal
1900: Liberal
1904: Liberal
1908: Liberal
1911: Liberal
1917: Opposition
1921: Progressive
1925: Progressive
1926: United Farmers
1930: United Farmers
1935: CCF
1940: CCF
1945: CCF
1949: CCF
1953: CCF
1957: CCF
1958: CCF
1962: NDP
1963: NDP
1968: NDP
1972: NDP
1974: NDP
1979: NDP
1980: NDP
1984: NDP
1988: NDP
1993: NDP
1997: NDP
2000: NDP
2004: NDP
2006: NDP
2008: NDP
Next: NDP
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 05:00:07 pm »
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Quebec version:

1867: Liberal
1871: Liberal
1875: Liberal
1878: Liberal
1881: Liberal
1886: Liberal
1890: Liberal
1892: Liberal
1897: Liberal
1900: Liberal
1904: Liberal
1908: Liberal
1912: Liberal
1916: Liberal
1919: Liberal
1923: Liberal
1927: Liberal
1931: Liberal
1935: ALN
1936: Abstain
1939: Liberal
1944: Liberal
1948: Liberal
1952: Liberal
1956: Liberal
1960: Liberal
1962: Liberal
1966: Liberal
1970: PQ
1973: PQ
1976: PQ
1981: PQ
1985: Liberal
1989: Green
1994: Lemon
1998: PQ
2003: Green
2007: Green
2008: Green

Ontario:

1867: Liberal
1871: Liberal
1875: Liberal
1879: Liberal
1883: Liberal
1886: Liberal
1890: Liberal
1894: Liberal or Patrons of Industry
1898: Liberal
1902: Liberal
1905: Liberal
1908: Liberal
1911: Liberal
1914: Liberal
1919: UFO
1923: UFO
1926: Conservative
1929: Conservative
1934: Liberal
1937: Liberal
1943: CCF
1945: CCF
1948: PC
1951: PC
1955: PC
1959: PC
1963: PC
1967: PC
1971: PC
1975: Liberal
1977: NDP
1981: PC
1985: Liberal
1987: Liberal
1990: Liberal
1995: Green (or tactical Liberal vote to prevent that scumbag Harris)
1999: Liberal
2003: Liberal
2007: Green
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 09:38:54 am »
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Thanks to Hashemite Smiley, I'm finally able to do my own list :

1867 : Liberal
1872 : Liberal
1874 : Liberal
1878 : Liberal
1882 : Liberal
1887 : Liberal
1891 : Liberal
1896 : Liberal
1900 : Liberal
1904 : Liberal
1908 : Liberal
1911 : Liberal
1917 : Laurier Liberal

1921 : Progressive
1925 : Progressive
1926 : Progressive
1930 : Progressive

1935 : CCF
1940 : CCF

1945 : Liberal
1949 : CCF
1953 : CCF
1957 : CCF
1958 : CCF

1962 : NDP
1963 : Liberal
1965 : Liberal
1968 : Liberal

1972 : NDP
1974 : NDP
1979 : NDP
1980 : NDP
1984 : NDP
1988 : NDP

1993 : Liberal or BQ
1997 : NDP
2000 : NDP
2004 : NDP
2006 : NDP
2008 : NDP
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 11:35:39 am »
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All elections: Liberal

rofl. Really?

Didn't you know that I'm highly partisian piece of crap? Wink

The Liberals are not a leftist party. They occupy the political center.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 07:15:25 am »
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If you had asked me this question in 2003, I'd have said NDP for every election
If you asked in 2005, I'd have said Liberal, straight through
2007 and I'd pick all Tories

But lets see what mindset I was at, at the time.

The 2000 election was the first that I was old enough to know what was going on. I'd have voted liberal.

In 2004 I voted Liberal
In 2006 I voted Conservative
In 2008 I voted Green
In 2009 I plan to either vote for the Liberals or the Greens

What about in the past?

In 1867 I'd have voted anti-confederate
In 1921 I'd have voted Progressive
In 1979 I'd have voted PC
And again in 1980


Beyond that its really hard to say.

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I'll be voting Green.
In 1867 I'd have voted Conservative
And I'd have voted PC in 1979, 1980, 1984, 1988, and 1993, and Liberal or PC in 1997 and 2000.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2009, 09:02:07 am »
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1867-1917: Conservative, probably
1921-1930: Progressive, Labour or United Farmers depending on the district
1935-1958: CCF
1962-present: NDP
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1867 : Conservative
1872 : Conservative
1874 : Conservative
1878 : Conservative
1882 : Conservative
1887 : Conservative
1891 : Conservative
1896 : Patrons of Industry
1900 : Conservative
1904 : Conservative
1908 : Labour
1911 : Conservative
1917 : Unionist
1921 : Labour
1925 : Labour
1926 : Labour
1930 : Communist
1935 : Communist
1940 : Communist
1945 : Labour-Progressive
1949 : Labour-Progressive
1953 : Labour-Progressive
1957 : Progressive Conservative
1958 : CCF
1962 : Communist
1963 : NDP
1965 : NDP
1968 : Liberal
1972 : NDP
1974 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
1979 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
1980 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
1984 : Liberal
1988 : Liberal
1993 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
1997 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
2000 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
2004 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
2006 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
2008 : Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 04:28:08 pm »
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1867: George Brown
1872: Edward Blake
1874: Alexander Mackenzie
1878: Alexander Mackenzie
1882: Edward Blake
1887: Edward Blake
1891: Wilfrid Laurier
1896: Wilfrid Laurier
1900: Wilfrid Laurier
1904: Wilfrid Laurier
1908: Wilfrid Laurier
1911: Wilfrid Laurier
1917: Robert Borden
1921: William Mackenzie King
1925: William Mackenzie King
1926: William Mackenzie King
1930: William Mackenzie King
1935: William Mackenzie King
1940: William Mackenzie King
1945: William Mackenzie King
1949: Louis St. Laurent
1953: Louis St. Laurent
1957: Louis St. Laurent
1958: Lester Pearson
1962: Tommy Douglas
1963: Tommy Douglas
1965: Tommy Douglas
1968: Tommy Douglas
1972: Pierre Trudeau
1974: Pierre Trudeau
1979: Pierre Trudeau
1980: Pierre Trudeau
1984: Ed Broadbent
1988: Ed Broadbent
1993: Jean Chretien
1997: Jean Chretien
2000: Jean Chretien
2004: Jack Layton
2006: Jack Layton
2008: Jack Layton
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1867: George Brown
1872: Edward Blake
1874: Alexander Mackenzie
1878: Alexander Mackenzie
1882: Edward Blake
1887: Edward Blake
1891: Wilfrid Laurier
1896: Wilfrid Laurier
1900: Wilfrid Laurier
1904: Wilfrid Laurier
1908: Wilfrid Laurier
1911: Wilfrid Laurier
1917: Robert Borden
1921: William Mackenzie King
1925: William Mackenzie King
1926: William Mackenzie King
1930: William Mackenzie King
1935: William Mackenzie King
1940: William Mackenzie King
1945: William Mackenzie King
1949: Louis St. Laurent
1953: Louis St. Laurent
1957: Louis St. Laurent
1958: Lester Pearson
1962: Tommy Douglas
1963: Tommy Douglas
1965: Tommy Douglas
1968: Tommy Douglas
1972: Pierre Trudeau
1974: Pierre Trudeau
1979: Pierre Trudeau
1980: Pierre Trudeau
1984: Ed Broadbent
1988: Ed Broadbent
1993: Jean Chretien
1997: Jean Chretien
2000: Jean Chretien
2004: Jack Layton
2006: Jack Layton
2008: Jack Layton

You don't vote for PM.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 08:45:19 pm »
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1867: George Brown
1872: Edward Blake
1874: Alexander Mackenzie
1878: Alexander Mackenzie
1882: Edward Blake
1887: Edward Blake
1891: Wilfrid Laurier
1896: Wilfrid Laurier
1900: Wilfrid Laurier
1904: Wilfrid Laurier
1908: Wilfrid Laurier
1911: Wilfrid Laurier
1917: Robert Borden
1921: William Mackenzie King
1925: William Mackenzie King
1926: William Mackenzie King
1930: William Mackenzie King
1935: William Mackenzie King
1940: William Mackenzie King
1945: William Mackenzie King
1949: Louis St. Laurent
1953: Louis St. Laurent
1957: Louis St. Laurent
1958: Lester Pearson
1962: Tommy Douglas
1963: Tommy Douglas
1965: Tommy Douglas
1968: Tommy Douglas
1972: Pierre Trudeau
1974: Pierre Trudeau
1979: Pierre Trudeau
1980: Pierre Trudeau
1984: Ed Broadbent
1988: Ed Broadbent
1993: Jean Chretien
1997: Jean Chretien
2000: Jean Chretien
2004: Jack Layton
2006: Jack Layton
2008: Jack Layton

You don't vote for PM.

As I stated before, I'm well aware of that. I merely listed the PM I would support.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 09:13:00 pm »
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1867: Conservative
1872: Conservative
1874: Conservative
1878: Conservative
1882: Conservative
1887: Conservative
1891: Liberal
1896: Liberal
1900: Liberal
1904: Liberal
1908: Liberal
1911: Liberal
1917: Laurier Liberal
1921: Liberal
1925: Liberal
1926: Liberal
1930: Conservative
1935: Liberal[/color
1940: Liberal
1945: Liberal
1949: Liberal
1953: Liberal
1956: Liberal
1958: Progressive Conservative
1962: Progressive Conservative
1963: Progressive Conservative
1965: Progressive Conservative
1968: Liberal
1972: Liberal, but would have voted for Roch LaSalle if I was in his riding
1975: Liberal
1979: Liberal
1980: Liberal
1984: Progressive Conservative
1988: Progressive Conservative
1993: Bloc Quebecois
1997: Bloc Quebecois
2000: Liberal
2004: Bloc Quebecois
2006: Bloc Quebecois
2008: Bloc Quebecois

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1867-1887: Supported the pro-Quebec Conservatives over the anti-clerical Liberals
1891-1917: Supported the pro-Quebec Liberals over the anti-French/anti-Catholic Conservatives
1917: Supported Laurier as I likely would have opposed Canadian entry into World War One
1921-1926: See 1891-1917
1930: Due to Great Depression would have supported Conservatives
1935-1956: Turned back to Liberals who embraced New Deal-esque policies and guided Canada through World War Two. Would have supported Uncle Louis in the post-war years.
1958-1965: Supported the "one-nation" conservatism of Diefenbaker over the social democracy of Pearson
1968-1980: Supported Trudeau, despite reservations over his belief in Canadian nationalism
1984-1988: Supported Mulroney in the years of prosperity and pro-Quebec policies
1993-1997, 2004-Present: Supported the pro-Quebec Bloc
2000: Chretien was doing such a darn good job, might as well!

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1930: Conservative

You'd have supported RB Bennett's Hoover-esque Nazi-loving Tories?

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1972: Liberal, but would have voted for Roch LaSalle if I was in his riding

Roch LaSalle was the MP for my family's birthplace. He was a good constituency MP (he delivered passports door-to-door to those who had asked for one), had a massive personal vote.

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1867-1887: Supported the pro-Quebec Conservatives over the anti-clerical Liberals

The Tories were not "pro-Quebec" (as ridiculous of a phrase that is) but rather supported the far-right clerical elite which controlled Quebec as a theocratic dictatorship until 1960. Until the Tories became the party of WASPs nationwide.

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1891-1917: Supported the pro-Quebec Liberals over the anti-French/anti-Catholic Conservatives

Supporting conscription is not 'anti-French', ftr.

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1968-1980: Supported Trudeau, despite reservations over his belief in Canadian nationalism

I don't think I've ever seen a contemporary Bloc supporter who likes Trudeau.

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1984-1988: Supported Mulroney in the years of prosperity and pro-Quebec policies

And the corruption and stupid constitutional debates; and cut it out with the "pro-Quebec" crap.
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1930: Conservative

You'd have supported RB Bennett's Hoover-esque Nazi-loving Tories?

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1972: Liberal, but would have voted for Roch LaSalle if I was in his riding

Roch LaSalle was the MP for my family's birthplace. He was a good constituency MP (he delivered passports door-to-door to those who had asked for one), had a massive personal vote.

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1867-1887: Supported the pro-Quebec Conservatives over the anti-clerical Liberals

The Tories were not "pro-Quebec" (as ridiculous of a phrase that is) but rather supported the far-right clerical elite which controlled Quebec as a theocratic dictatorship until 1960. Until the Tories became the party of WASPs nationwide.

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1891-1917: Supported the pro-Quebec Liberals over the anti-French/anti-Catholic Conservatives

Supporting conscription is not 'anti-French', ftr.

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1968-1980: Supported Trudeau, despite reservations over his belief in Canadian nationalism

I don't think I've ever seen a contemporary Bloc supporter who likes Trudeau.

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1984-1988: Supported Mulroney in the years of prosperity and pro-Quebec policies

And the corruption and stupid constitutional debates; and cut it out with the "pro-Quebec" crap.


Point #1: Looking at it at the time I would have yes. The Liberals had failed to keep the nation out of depression, so it was quite likely that I would have supported the Conservatives simply because of my own economic concerns.
Point #3: I will always support the reactionaries over the anti-clerical party. As a devout Catholic any attack on my faith is an attack on me personally.
Point #4: By that point the Liberals had shut up about being anti-clerical under Laurier, who I would support initially in large part because he was a Francophone. And yes, forcing men to fight for a war that was wrong and seen by most in Quebec at the time as a British war may not be anti-French, but it's still wrong.
Point #5: I'll give you that one actually lol
Point #6: Not a huge fan of Mulroney today, but at the time I believe he was the best option for Quebec federalism or separatism.

And yes, I do base my votes in large part on Quebec's federalism/nationalism/independence even. I don't think of Canada as one nation so much as Quebec and everyone else. Therefore I would support the party that best supported the "nation" of Quebec.
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Point #1: Looking at it at the time I would have yes. The Liberals had failed to keep the nation out of depression, so it was quite likely that I would have supported the Conservatives simply because of my own economic concerns.

Did any party/leader in the world (excluding isolated places) keep their country out of the 1929 depression? There sure isn't much of those in the Americas.

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Point #3: I will always support the reactionaries over the anti-clerical party. As a devout Catholic any attack on my faith is an attack on me personally.

So you support theocracy?

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Point #6: Not a huge fan of Mulroney today, but at the time I believe he was the best option for Quebec federalism or separatism.

Mulroney was a scumbag opportunist. He didn't care about Quebec nationalism, he allied to them purely for political gain.
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2010, 02:16:38 pm »
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Point #1: Looking at it at the time I would have yes. The Liberals had failed to keep the nation out of depression, so it was quite likely that I would have supported the Conservatives simply because of my own economic concerns.

Did any party/leader in the world (excluding isolated places) keep their country out of the 1929 depression? There sure isn't much of those in the Americas.

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Point #3: I will always support the reactionaries over the anti-clerical party. As a devout Catholic any attack on my faith is an attack on me personally.

So you support theocracy?

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Point #6: Not a huge fan of Mulroney today, but at the time I believe he was the best option for Quebec federalism or separatism.

Mulroney was a scumbag opportunist. He didn't care about Quebec nationalism, he allied to them purely for political gain.


I agree that most leaders failed to keep their nations out of the depression. And that is exactly why I would vote for someone else. As far as theocracy goes, I would indeed support one over an anti-clerical state, such as the liberals at the time supported and the French Republic was. I would not consider the United States Anti-Clerical. And yeah, Mulroney was a jerk, but the fact that he supported Quebec nationalism even for political gain is a positive.
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