Clinton Good, Bush Bad

[qwerty]

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad

Clinton spends $77 billion on war in Serbia - good
Bush spends $87 billion in Iraq - bad

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad

Clinton bombs Chinese Embassy - good
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in flight suit - bad

No mass graves found in Serbia - good
No WMD found in Iraq - bad

Stock market nearly crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad

Clinton refuses to take custody of bin Laden - good
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad

Milosevic not yet convicted - good
Saddam turned over for trial - bad

Ahh, it's so confusing!

[opebo]

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad

Clinton spends $77 billion on war in Serbia - good
Bush spends $87 billion in Iraq - bad

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad

Clinton bombs Chinese Embassy - good
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in flight suit - bad

No mass graves found in Serbia - good
No WMD found in Iraq - bad

Stock market nearly crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad

Clinton refuses to take custody of bin Laden - good
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad

Milosevic not yet convicted - good
Saddam turned over for trial - bad

Ahh, it's so confusing!

Perhaps Clinton bad, Bush even worse would be a better way of putting it.

By the way, were any Americans killed in Serbia?  Important distinction.

[Pollwatch99]

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad

Clinton spends $77 billion on war in Serbia - good
Bush spends $87 billion in Iraq - bad

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad

Clinton bombs Chinese Embassy - good
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in flight suit - bad

No mass graves found in Serbia - good
No WMD found in Iraq - bad

Stock market nearly crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad

Clinton refuses to take custody of bin Laden - good
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad

Milosevic not yet convicted - good
Saddam turned over for trial - bad

Ahh, it's so confusing!

Perhaps Clinton bad, Bush even worse would be a better way of putting it.

By the way, were any Americans killed in Serbia?  Important distinction.

Serbia did not kill 3,000 innocent Americans, the terrorists did.  That's a far more important distinction.  I know you probably believe that IRAQ has absoultely nothing to do with the war on terror.  We can agree to disagree.  This is a much wider conflict and the only 2 leaders in the country who want to deny this are Kerry/Edwards which is why no Senators want them to campaign for them.

[opebo]

Perhaps Clinton bad, Bush even worse would be a better way of putting it.

By the way, were any Americans killed in Serbia?  Important distinction.

Serbia did not kill 3,000 innocent Americans, the terrorists did.  That's a far more important distinction.  I know you probably believe that IRAQ has absoultely nothing to do with the war on terror.  We can agree to disagree.  This is a much wider conflict and the only 2 leaders in the country who want to deny this are Kerry/Edwards which is why no Senators want them to campaign for them.

No, I believe there was some slight connection betweeen Iraq and terrorists in general, but there was a much greater connection to several other countries, including Iran, Syra, Saudi Arabi, and Pakistan.  The enemy is a religion, not a particular country, though several countries are also our enemies.  I'm afraid we're going to have to be a lot more brutal.

[A18]

Uh, 95% of our troops are religious.

[opebo]

Uh, 95% of our troops are religious.

Well, the fact they enlisted makes their intellectual errors unsurprising to me.

[shankbear]

opebo, it is not a religion that were are fighting, it is an extreme, mutated variant which we are fighting.  It is ISLAMIC RADICALS which are sworn to kill us all, even you the Nevile Chamberlain, appeasement, pacifist which you seem to immulate.

[Inverted Things]

A Green partier's response:

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad

Boring; both were government business as usual. It just looks kinda bad since Cheney used to run Halliburton.

Clinton spends $77 billion on war in Serbia - good
Bush spends $87 billion in Iraq - bad

I was against the war in Serbia as well as the one in Iraq.

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Why do presidents care so much about regime change in the rest of the world? How about doing something useful like funding alternative energy sources?

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad

We shouldn't have been in either. Clinton was a bloody bastard who never would have gotten my vote.

Clinton bombs Chinese Embassy - good
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad

Again with the fighting. Violence has its place, but does every president have to bomb something? How about some creativity?

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in flight suit - bad

What felonies did Clinton commit? It was nice of Bush to tell those soldiers present that the mission was accomplished. Maybe he'll get to do it again when the hostilities stop.

No mass graves found in Serbia - good
No WMD found in Iraq - bad

Don't care about either. Why should I care if Iraq has WMDs? Why should I care if Bosnia is mass-murdering Serbs?

Stock market nearly crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad

Bah! The stock market is simply the biggest psychological experiment in the history of mankind.

Clinton refuses to take custody of bin Laden - good
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad

Terrorism is a minor threat. Seriously, you are more likely to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack.

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad

Regime change is a hobby presidents seem to like nowadays. It's an expensive fad that has always been boring. How about doing something useful and fun, like legalizing marijuana?

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad

So. We have training camps here for terr--I mean soldiers. The difference between a terrorist and a soldier is that the soldier has a nation backing him. Anyways, Afghanistan should have been left alone. Despite Bush and Kerry's words, we CAN defend very well without the all-out offensive we're on.

Milosevic not yet convicted - good
Saddam turned over for trial - bad

Oh come on! If you're going to force a guy out of his country because of an expensive hobby, why not at least give him a couple of pacific islands?

[opebo]

opebo, it is not a religion that were are fighting, it is an extreme, mutated variant which we are fighting.  It is ISLAMIC RADICALS which are sworn to kill us all, even you the Nevile Chamberlain, appeasement, pacifist which you seem to immulate.

I'm afraid the vast majority of the Islamics support or sympathize with the radicals, and even more importantly are amenable to theocratic rule.

[qwerty]

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Ummm because we don't attempt to overtake neighboring countries in a quest for world domination?

Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

[opebo]

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Ummm because we don't attempt to overtake neighboring countries in a quest for world domination?

We have taken over many neighboring and non-neighboring countries, and we do dominate the world.

[Donovan]

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Ummm because we don't attempt to overtake neighboring countries in a quest for world domination?

Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Name the number of countires Iraq has taken over in the last 200 years, then please name the number of countries that the United States has taken over and controled in the last 200 years and see which list is longer.

[Donovan]

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Ummm because we don't attempt to overtake neighboring countries in a quest for world domination?

We have taken over many neighboring and non-neighboring countries, and we do dominate the world.

That doesn't count though. These nations wanted us to defeat them, kill thousands of innocent people, and force a new government on them.

[??????????]

When did Clinton say that? Anyway, so what if Iraq has nukes. We have them, so why the double standard?

Ummm because we don't attempt to overtake neighboring countries in a quest for world domination?

Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Name the number of countires Iraq has taken over in the last 200 years, then please name the number of countries that the United States has taken over and controled in the last 200 years and see which list is longer.

The US has taken over 0 nations in the past 200 years. Unless you count of course the CSA..so I guess 1.

[Citizen James]

Gee, I just saw the exact same post on another board.  Where Y'all cutting and pasting from.

I'm sure you can recognise that a lot of this is apples and oranges, trying to use superficial similarities to declare the situations equal.

Plus many of the things Clinton did weren't right - that doesn't make them any less wrong under Bush.

And I find it facinating that you (or more likely, your ghost author), spin the Muslims in serbia as terrorists.  I suppose that you are also upset that that big mean Democrat FDR fought the Nazis who were claiming to protect themselves from 'the Jewish theat'?

In any case, things might have been very different had we gone in for 'humanitarian reasons' like we did in Bosnia.  But that was never cited as a reason to go to war in Iraq - only as a spin after the fact.  And regardless of the reason for going in, there was no excuse for not going in with sufficent manpower to secure the peace, nor for sending our troops in underequiped (Star wars is apparently a higher funding priority for bush than body armor for the troops).

And why the extreme rush?   Time was on our side.   The massacres took place over a decade ago.   Lately he's just been acting more like your average totalitarian society (Iran, Pakistan, China, North Korea...).   We had time to adaquitely prepare, plan, and sell a case based on humanitarian needs to our allies - why didn't we do any of those?

[Jake]

A Green partier's response:

What felonies did Clinton commit?

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[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Well, the fact they enlisted makes their intellectual errors unsurprising to me.

And like we're supposed to be impressed by your intellect?

FYI - those that express hatred towards one group are usually very simple-minded.

[Inverted Things]

Perjury is a felony, correct?

Maybe he did commit perjury, maybe he didn't. I had better things to do in 1998 than watch the two parties bicker over a blowjob.
He was found innocent by the due process we so love in this country.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

He was found innocent by the due process we so love in this country.

so was OJ

[opebo]

Well, the fact they enlisted makes their intellectual errors unsurprising to me.

And like we're supposed to be impressed by your intellect?

FYI - those that express hatred towards one group are usually very simple-minded.

Oh?  Was it inappropiate to 'hate' Nazis?  Communists?  Any ideology that want to impose its will upon me by force is my enemy.  I don't know about hatred, but I certainly fear my enemies.