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« on: August 13, 2009, 09:32:55 am »
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If the health care reform bill fails to make it to President Obama's desk, at least we will know whom to hold accountable:

The Democrats' senior problem

By VICTORIA MCGRANE & CHRIS FRATES | 8/12/09 4:35 AM EDT

Democrats have a senior citizen problem.

Frustrated older Americans are packing the town halls on health care. They are incredibly passionate about their Medicare benefits. Polls show senior citizens largely disapprove of health care reform ideas so far.

And of course, they vote — in larger numbers than any other demographic.

But so far, Democrats have focused much of their health care sales pitch on middle-class Americans and the uninsured — a slight that has been noticed by senior citizens, who hold great influence with members of Congress.

At his Tuesday town hall event in New Hampshire, President Barack Obama made a point to reach out to seniors, noting the low support in polls for his health care proposals.

“We are not talking about cutting Medicare benefits,” Obama said, trying to assuage the audience.

But Obama is talking about finding hundreds of billions in savings from Medicare — cuts supporters say will trim fat from the program — including slashing $156 billion in subsidies to Medicare Advantage, a privately administered Medicare program.

“Seniors are one of the most attentive and engaged constituencies, especially on health care issues, and we’ve seen that in the Medicare Advantage programs,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans.

A July 31 Gallup Poll found that just 20 percent of Americans aged 65 and older believe health care reform would improve their own situation, noticeably lower than the 27 percent of 18- to 49-year olds and 26 percent of 50-to-64-year-olds who say the same.

The senior citizen problem could pose a serious problem for the 2010 election cycle.

Older Americans turn out in much higher numbers than other age groups during midterm elections. In 2006, the 55-and-older age group still had the highest voting rate of any age group, at 63 percent, even though younger voters turned out in record numbers for a midterm, according to census data. Half of all votes cast in the 2006 midterms were from voters age 50 or older, according to AARP. And one out of four were AARP members.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2009, 01:19:03 pm »
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If the health care reform bill fails to make it to President Obama's desk, at least we will know whom to hold accountable:

Yup.  The dem-controlled Congress.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2009, 10:17:06 pm »
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Screw these cranky seniors who already have government provided single-payer health insurance (Medicare).
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2009, 12:19:27 am »
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"They are incredibly passionate about their Medicare benefits."

That depresses me. I have a certain animus against what is all too often the "greedy geezers." It is disgusting frankly. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009, 12:25:43 am »
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"They are incredibly passionate about their Medicare benefits."

That depresses me. I have a certain animus against what is all too often the "greedy geezers." It is disgusting frankly. 
Which is why I'm 100% behind Obama and his plan for Death Squads for the elderly.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 12:26:30 am »
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If the health care reform bill fails to make it to President Obama's desk, at least we will know whom to hold accountable:

Yup.  The dem-controlled Congress.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 09:12:31 am »
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27% of all Americans are covered by Medicare, Medicaid or VA.  That's right, 27% of Americans are covered by government insurance...and it appears that a very large portion of them are hoppin' mad about it.  Maybe we should let them opt out if they don't want it and find a better private plan; it sure would save the taxpayers a sh**tload of money.  ("IRONY" sign flashing furiously) 

But, one thing I do agree with Stampever about is that, if no significant reform passes, it will be the fault of the Democrat-controlled congress.  They've got a huge majority in the House and an effective super-majority in the Senate and the President has given them the opportunity to write the bill almost entirely on their own.  If they still can't pass a good bill, it is their own fault, and no one else's.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 09:16:04 am »
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No, no.  When it falls it will be the fault of 60 year old chubby women in Des Moines screaming at an official nobody has ever heard of.



...and Bush.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 09:23:56 am »
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Or maybe a 60 year old chubby woman screaming at a North Dakota Senate Democrat trying to get reelected in a 65-35 Republican state.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 09:52:16 am »
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So, what you're saying is that the Senator from ND is afraid he might not get reelected if he votes for public health care?  If so, isn't that how our Republic is supposed to work?
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 10:24:59 am »
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I think the Republic is supposed to work that way, sure.  But I also think this Senator, or the Senator from Montana or any number of House members, could remind their seniors that they enjoy the protection of government insurance, remind them that they like it, emphasize that without effective reform, their insurance will become insolvent, and that younger citizens should have the right to opt in to insurance coverage that is as good as theirs.  Leaders aren't only supposed to bow to a popular will fed by misleading information, leaders are also supposed to persuade their constituents when it's necessary.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2009, 11:07:31 am »
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Sure, but we're idiots.  As proof see nearly any election ever held, anywhere.
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Quote from:   Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2009, 11:34:29 am »
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Eh, old people have bad memories anyway.
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