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« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2004, 11:51:50 AM »

State-by-state...
Jammu & Kashmir
INC 2, NC 2, PDP 1, i 1

Himachal
INC 3, BJP 1

Uttaranchal
BJP 3, INC 1, SP 1

Panjab
SAD 8, BJP 3, INC 2

Chandigarh INC

Haryana
INC 9, BJP 1

Delhi
INC 6, BJP 1

Rajasthan
BJP 21, INC 4

Gujarat
BJP 14, INC 12

Daman & Diu INC

Dadra & Nagar Haveli BNP

Uttar Pradesh
SP 35, BSP 18, BJP 10, INC 9, RLD 3, JD (U) 1, SJP 1, NLP 1, i 1, uncompleted 1 (BSP ahead)

Madhya Pradesh
BJP 25, INC 4

Chhattisgarh
BJP 10, INC 1

Orissa
Biju JD 8, BJP 5, INC 2, JMM 1, uncompleted 5 (of which 3 Biju JD, 2 BJP leads)

Jharkand
INC 5, JMM 4, RJD 2, BJP 1, CPI 1, uncompleted 1 (INC lead)

Bihar
RJD 16, JD (U) 5, BJP 5, LJS 4, INC 3, JD (S) 1, uncompleted 1 (JDU leading), not even begun 3 (there was so much poll violence that the EC is still mulling on whether or not to hold a complete revote and destroy the original result uncounted)

West Bengal
CPM 25, INC 5, CPI 3, FB 3, RSP 3, TC 1, uncompleted 2 (one CPM, one INC lead)

Sikkim SDF

Assam
INC 9, AGP 2, BJP 2, i 1

Meghalaya one INC, one TC
Arunachal BJP tw
Nagaland NPF (leading)
Manipur one INC, one uncounted (same reasons as in Bihar)
Mizoram MNF
Tripura one CPM, one uncompleted (CPM ahead)

Maharashtra
BJP 13, INC 13, Shiv Sena 12, NCP 9, RPI 1

Goa BJP 1, INC 1

Karnataka
BJP 18, INC 8, JD (S) 2

Kerala
18 to the different left front partners (sorry-didnt take down the party breakup), 1 IUML, 1 IFDP

Lakshadweep JD (U)
Andaman & Nicobar Islands INC
Pondicherry PMK

Tamil Nadu
DMK 16, INC 10, PMK 5, MDMK 4, CPM 2, CPI 2

Andhra
INC 29, TRS 5, TDP 5, CPM 1, CPI 1, AIMIM 1
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« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2004, 11:54:00 AM »

The Karnataka assembly is hung
BJP 79
INC 64 (and leading in the last missing one)
JD (S) 58
JD (U) 5
CPM, KCVP, KNP, RPI one each
Independents 13

Orissa´s Biju JD-BJP government has a marginally reduced majority...
Biju JD 60 plus one counting
BJP 31 pluis one counting
INC 38
JMM 4
OGP 2
CPM 1
CPI 1
independents 8
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« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2004, 12:02:07 PM »

State-by-state...
Jammu & Kashmir
INC 2, NC 2, PDP 1, i 1

Himachal
INC 3, BJP 1

Uttaranchal
BJP 3, INC 1, SP 1

Panjab
SAD 8, BJP 3, INC 2

Chandigarh INC

Haryana
INC 9, BJP 1

Delhi
INC 6, BJP 1

Rajasthan
BJP 21, INC 4

Gujarat
BJP 14, INC 12

Daman & Diu INC

Dadra & Nagar Haveli BNP

Uttar Pradesh
SP 35, BSP 18, BJP 10, INC 9, RLD 3, JD (U) 1, SJP 1, NLP 1, i 1, uncompleted 1 (BSP ahead)

Madhya Pradesh
BJP 25, INC 4

Chhattisgarh
BJP 10, INC 1

Orissa
Biju JD 8, BJP 5, INC 2, JMM 1, uncompleted 5 (of which 3 Biju JD, 2 BJP leads)

Jharkand
INC 5, JMM 4, RJD 2, BJP 1, CPI 1, uncompleted 1 (INC lead)

Bihar
RJD 16, JD (U) 5, BJP 5, LJS 4, INC 3, JD (S) 1, uncompleted 1 (JDU leading), not even begun 3 (there was so much poll violence that the EC is still mulling on whether or not to hold a complete revote and destroy the original result uncounted)

West Bengal
CPM 25, INC 5, CPI 3, FB 3, RSP 3, TC 1, uncompleted 2 (one CPM, one INC lead)

Sikkim SDF

Assam
INC 9, AGP 2, BJP 2, i 1

Meghalaya one INC, one TC
Arunachal BJP tw
Nagaland NPF (leading)
Manipur one INC, one uncounted (same reasons as in Bihar)
Mizoram MNF
Tripura one CPM, one uncompleted (CPM ahead)

Maharashtra
BJP 13, INC 13, Shiv Sena 12, NCP 9, RPI 1

Goa BJP 1, INC 1

Karnataka
BJP 18, INC 8, JD (S) 2

Kerala
18 to the different left front partners (sorry-didnt take down the party breakup), 1 IUML, 1 IFDP

Lakshadweep JD (U)
Andaman & Nicobar Islands INC
Pondicherry PMK

Tamil Nadu
DMK 16, INC 10, PMK 5, MDMK 4, CPM 2, CPI 2

Andhra
INC 29, TRS 5, TDP 5, CPM 1, CPI 1, AIMIM 1

Whoo hoo! Cheesy
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Beeb has these figures for Kerala: CPM 12, CPI 3, JD (S) 1, Ind 1
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« Reply #103 on: May 13, 2004, 12:05:12 PM »

Results so far:

INC and Allies: 212
NDA: 179
Others: 133

524/543

INC 143 plus 71 allies
BJP 135 + 46 allies
others 133
528/543
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« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2004, 12:05:56 PM »

Obviously Congress will need some more allies. Even with the Communists theyre falling just short.
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« Reply #105 on: May 13, 2004, 12:13:48 PM »

I won`t have time to complete this now, but here`s some data on how well my prediction was:
Jammu & Kashmir 3 out of 6
Himachal Pradesh 2 out of 4
Uttaranchal 4 out of 5
Panjab 8 out of 13
Chandigarh 0 out of 1
Haryana 7 out of 10
Delhi 5 out of 7
Rajasthan 19 out of 25
Gujarat 15 out of 26
Daman & Diu 1 out of 1
Dadra & Nagar Haveli 0 out of 1
Madhya Pradesh 28 out of 29!!!
Chattisgarh 10 out of 11
Orissa ca.18 out of 21
Goa 2 out of 2
I`ll do the rest some other day...
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« Reply #106 on: May 13, 2004, 05:07:59 PM »

Btw Lewis. What you did in India?
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« Reply #107 on: May 13, 2004, 07:45:45 PM »

Sad to see Congress win over BJP.  Bunch of socialists.
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« Reply #108 on: May 13, 2004, 11:37:48 PM »

I wonder what impact this will have on U.S.-Indian cooperation on the war on Islamism? The BJP strongly stood with the U.S. (well, for Indian politics), whereas Congress is historically anti-U.S. and the Left Front-Communists...well, they're the Left Front-Communists. What more need you say? Smiley

I suspect relations will become chillier like with Spain...
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« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2004, 12:15:54 AM »

India may also decisively cool its relations toward Israel, which had reached an all time height under the Vajpayee govt, after Israel was not even recognized as a country by India until well after the end of the Cold War. Congress historically bends over backwards to please radical Moslem terrorists.
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« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2004, 02:52:53 AM »

Sad to see Congress win over BJP.  Bunch of socialists.

AND?Huh India is still a VERY poor country. The BJP ignored the poor and the poor kicked them out of office.

Anyways... it's better to be a Socialist than a Sectarian Bigot...
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« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2004, 03:39:56 AM »

Sad to see Congress win over BJP.  Bunch of socialists.

AND?Huh India is still a VERY poor country. The BJP ignored the poor and the poor kicked them out of office.

Anyways... it's better to be a Socialist than a Sectarian Bigot...


yeah!!!!!!

Spain, France, India,... and maybe Belgium, Italy, Norway, holland, austria, australia and...USA! Left comes back!

Risk of problem: UK (but tony blair is not a socialist or a left leader, it's a conservative spy in the labour), germany (Schroeder is not social democrat, it's a european liberal).
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« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2004, 08:40:48 AM »

I wonder what impact this will have on U.S.-Indian cooperation on the war on Islamism? The BJP strongly stood with the U.S. (well, for Indian politics), whereas Congress is historically anti-U.S. and the Left Front-Communists...well, they're the Left Front-Communists. What more need you say? Smiley

I suspect relations will become chillier like with Spain...
Possibly...but expect the changes to be much slighter. India isn't in Iraq now, after all. And the faultlines on the attitude towards the US run through the Congress and the NDA rather then between them (the Communists are another matter, though they too have become much better at attracting American investors).
Oh, Huck: I taught English to High School kids as a volunteer.
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« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2004, 10:05:22 AM »

How will this affect things with Pakistan and Kashmir?
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« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2004, 11:14:32 AM »
« Edited: May 14, 2004, 11:22:02 AM by Storebought »

From the article:

On foreign policy, Singhvi said that while "it is important to maintain continuity," the party favored a return to "the doctrine of nonalignment" that defined Indian foreign policy during the Cold War. "The doctrine is all the more important in a . . . world where one country is a supercop," he said. "Will we advocate becoming a part of the U.S. bloc? Obviously not. We are open to trade but will not fall at somebody's feet."

What is WITH these countries, falling over themselves to be the next France? They are so keen on keeping the US shackled to arbitrary international "law" that they don't see the snares of terror laced about their own necks.

But the BJP brought a great deal of their plight on themselves. Vajpayee was a fool for agreeing to early elections, a parliamentary scheme that virtually always leads to catastrophe (only Thatcher had the skill to pull them off). And his Hindu chauvinism and Christian burning were offensive. But he was at least a covert friend of the US and Isreal and kept Pakistan from going nuts with its nuclear bombs these few years.

But the Congress Party won by doing what all left-wing governments do best: pimp poverty

"Congress and its allies, meanwhile, emphasized the continuing poverty in the countryside as well as the dislocations wrought by globalization and economic reform; one campaign ad featured youths staring disconsolately at a locked factory gate"

At least the US won't need to worry about middle-class job outsourcing anymore, now that the Congress will ensure that EVERY destitute Indian family is employed in only government-sanctioned mudpits.

The most worrying trend seen in this election, however, is the murderously stupid appeasement of the Religion of Peace, first seen in Spain:

"At a news conference Thursday night, Sonia Gandhi emphasized her party's secular credentials -- an implicit contrast with the BJP, whose leaders have often been accused of sowing enmity between Hindus and India's large Muslim minority"

Voting for the 'right government' will not stop fanatics! Those creatures intend to kill us all--Christian, Buddhist, atheist, Hindu, but especially Jew. Vajpayee had the sense to play "nice doggie" with Pakistan and India's internal traitors while he searched for a shillelagh to club their brains out. These Congress idiots believe that the dog will stop snarling once they put the stick down!


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« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2004, 10:01:18 PM »

Sad to see Congress win over BJP.  Bunch of socialists.

AND?Huh India is still a VERY poor country. The BJP ignored the poor and the poor kicked them out of office.

Anyways... it's better to be a Socialist than a Sectarian Bigot...

They'll never stop being poor till they get rid of socialism and embrace Capitalism.
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« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2004, 10:02:33 PM »

I wonder what impact this will have on U.S.-Indian cooperation on the war on Islamism? The BJP strongly stood with the U.S. (well, for Indian politics), whereas Congress is historically anti-U.S. and the Left Front-Communists...well, they're the Left Front-Communists. What more need you say? Smiley

I suspect relations will become chillier like with Spain...

The BJP had a very clear understanding of what Islam is.  Hindus are good that way.
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« Reply #117 on: May 15, 2004, 04:25:12 AM »

This is a ing disaster.  The socialists have had India in poverty for 50 years, and the BJP finall ypulls them out of the rut, brings them closer to the US, and this is the reward they get?  India deserves to be poor, if they keep electing fools who ride on the names of their parents.

Oops, don't we do that? (Kennedy, Taft, Bush, Clinton, Gore...)
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« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2004, 06:36:07 AM »

I think that Australia is just about the only western country that doesn't have the offpring of a former PM, President, etc in parliament/congress/etc. Smiley
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« Reply #119 on: May 15, 2004, 06:44:29 AM »

I think that Australia is just about the only western country that doesn't have the offpring of a former PM, President, etc in parliament/congress/etc. Smiley

Although IIRC Kim Beazley's dad was a cabinet minister?
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« Reply #120 on: May 15, 2004, 07:41:08 AM »
« Edited: May 15, 2004, 07:42:46 AM by Michael Z »

This is a ing disaster.  The socialists have had India in poverty for 50 years, and the BJP finall ypulls them out of the rut, brings them closer to the US, and this is the reward they get?  India deserves to be poor, if they keep electing fools who ride on the names of their parents.

Oops, don't we do that? (Kennedy, Taft, Bush, Clinton, Gore...)

India's economic boom only affected urban areas, rural households were still living on the breadline. The BJP made a HUGE mistake by campaigning on its economic record, because many rural communities simply did not recognise the images displayed in the campaign ads. Thus they felt alienated, and regarded the BJP as out of touch.

At any rate, the BJP's record of extreme sectarianism and stoking up religious intolerance meant they were plainly unfit to govern. I'm glad to see India return to secularism, even if that means a quasi-socialist government.
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« Reply #121 on: May 15, 2004, 09:02:56 AM »

Oh, Huck: I taught English to High School kids as a volunteer.
In the High School for poor kids I assume?
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« Reply #122 on: May 17, 2004, 02:38:52 AM »

This is a ing disaster.  The socialists have had India in poverty for 50 years, and the BJP finall ypulls them out of the rut, brings them closer to the US, and this is the reward they get?  India deserves to be poor, if they keep electing fools who ride on the names of their parents.

Oops, don't we do that? (Kennedy, Taft, Bush, Clinton, Gore...)

India's economic boom only affected urban areas, rural households were still living on the breadline. The BJP made a HUGE mistake by campaigning on its economic record, because many rural communities simply did not recognise the images displayed in the campaign ads. Thus they felt alienated, and regarded the BJP as out of touch.

At any rate, the BJP's record of extreme sectarianism and stoking up religious intolerance meant they were plainly unfit to govern. I'm glad to see India return to secularism, even if that means a quasi-socialist government.

a) The economic liberalization reforms in India were started by the last Congress government (VPN Rao, 91 to 96) and were opposed by the BJP until it came to power. Shows just how absurd some of those comments above are.
b) I looked at detailed results and in many regions, the BJP did worse in the cities.
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« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2004, 11:36:34 PM »

I wonder what impact this will have on U.S.-Indian cooperation on the war on Islamism? The BJP strongly stood with the U.S. (well, for Indian politics), whereas Congress is historically anti-U.S. and the Left Front-Communists...well, they're the Left Front-Communists. What more need you say? Smiley

I suspect relations will become chillier like with Spain...
Possibly...but expect the changes to be much slighter. India isn't in Iraq now, after all. And the faultlines on the attitude towards the US run through the Congress and the NDA rather then between them (the Communists are another matter, though they too have become much better at attracting American investors).

We can hope - if what Storebought quoted was true, then we're in for another episode of cold peace. What? There are Congress members who aren't pining for the good old days of the Soviet Union? Amazing... Shocked And as for the NDA...well, that's why I made my aside above...supporting 'Christian' America while burning Christians in India is quite an interesting position to maintain for the BJP. But as Opebo said, some BJP members probably saw it as a common front against Islam (their POV: I specify Islamism in my posts to clarify my position).
I wonder how the Communists pulled that off? "We promise not to nationalize everything without compensation and hang you from a tree this time!" Grin
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« Reply #124 on: May 17, 2004, 11:45:12 PM »

That part of the BJP you refer to were just hoping for the US to drop support of Pakistan.

India is no ally of the US, never has been. It's never been an ally of the Soviets either. (Funnily, I've encountered that opinions quite a few times coming from the US, though never from anywhere else.)
I remember reading a text by -was it Nehru?- from about 1947 on the question of Socialism and Capitalism, as economic concepts rather than as power blocs, and he basically said India needed every rope and would try both at the same time. Which is pretty much what they did.
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