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RScannix
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« on: August 22, 2009, 04:20:51 PM »

He's assasinated in 1933..so I'm assuming Garner becomes president. Much more moderate than FDR...tougher on Unions, less interventionist (militarily and economically). Economically not much changes from 1932-36, as the Depression didn't alter much in that time even under FDR's New Deal.

What does change is the public perception of government. People become agitated that government isn't "doing enough." Maybe Huey Long doesn't get assasinated? Maybe he becomes president, and leads even more radical economic alterations than FDR? Or Garner barely survives a primary challenge in 1936 and goes on to be defeated by a Republican (Willkie? Dewey? Taft?), which is followed by continued popular discontent and then an even more radical leader than Long elected in 1940?

The United States would probably avoid intervening in WWII if the political climate followed as outline above. I think Germany still loses, but largely at the behest of Soviet Russia and the war lasts a year or two longer. Russia asserts a more dominant position in European affairs (but not quite hegemony) as there is little to keep it in check. As for Japan, it asserts itself as a major Pacific power, as the Soviet Union, exhausted from carrying the Allied effort on its back, allows Japan to get off relatively light in peace negotiations. Oh, and USSR develops the atomic bomb way before anyone else.

Although I would have vehemently opposed FDR at any other time in American history, he was in the right place at the right time. It is quite possible that U.S. and the world would have been much worse off without his presidency. Not quite as great a man as everyone makes him out to be, but much better than the likely alternatives.
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RScannix
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 06:45:19 PM »

What about this? Suppose Hitler never invaded the Soviet Union, and instead commenced Operation Sea Lion, without American help, Britain would have not beat back the krauts. So we see Nazi-dominated Europe, Soviet-dominated Asia, Japanese-dominated Pacific, and Italian-dominated Africa? Although Hitler's blind hatred for bolshevism probably would have prevented this from happening, could this have happened if FDR died?

As you say, I don't think it ever would have happened; Hitler showed little capacity for the kind of strategic restraint this would have required. But, militarily speaking, it could have happened, though I wonder of China's fate and I think any invasion of Britain would have taken years of planning and buildup. It would have ensured that the U.S. stayed isolationist, or simply sought to play off the three powers against one another unless provoked. It's hard to imagine the U.S. gravitating heavily towards any of those powers, save for a radical change in political mentality or some kind of perceived economic necessity (oil?).

Internally, though, all three would have had serious problems. Hitler would have had to handle continued resistance and guerrilla warfare, especially in France and Britain. Many refugees would have fled to Canada or the Soviet Union (depending on their political views) and funded resistance from there. The USSR would have had issues with the Middle East (as in reality, though they probably would have competed with Germany here) and in China. Much of Asia would be outside of their influence for some time; I don't think they could have consolidated it very rapidly. Japan would have similar problems in China (presuming they maintained a position there) and Southeast Asia.

And what of Africa? Do some pieces escape colonialism? I cannot imagine a war-weary Germany occupying the entire continent (or even most of it). Australia and New Zealand are another question mark; I don't think Japan would have been able to dominate them, at least not physically.
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