Obama's Job Approval 16% Among Birthers

[Lunar]

I'd like to meet some of that 16%.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-do-birthers-love.html

[Eraserhead]

Me too. Me too.

[??????????]

I wonder what Bushs' ratings were among truthers?

[Psychic Octopus]

Me too. Me too.

I'd like to meet some of that 16%.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-do-birthers-love.html

My grandfather's actually a very nice person.

[Lief 🗽]

I'd like to meet some of that 16%.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/who-do-birthers-love.html

"Looking at the numbers from another angle- 63% of all Americans with a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin are birthers. Same thing with 53% of those who like Gingrich, 50% who view Huckabee positively, and 44% for Romney."

hahaha

[DariusNJ]

That doesnt surprise me too much.

According to PPP, 62% of birthers are Republicans, 20% are Democrats, and 18% are independents. 86% are white, 4% are black, and 7% are Hispanic.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/deeper-look-at-birthers.html

[DownWithTheLeft]

Black Democratic birthers LOL

[Mr. Morden]

Many of the people who think Obama wasn't born in the USA may not even realize that that would have some bearing on his eligibility to be president.  They may like Obama, think his presidency is legitimate and legal, but they're just repeating some fragment of a rumor they've heard somewhere about where he was born.  I think the %age of Americans who know about the "natural born citizen" rule is far lower than you may think.

Heck, according to this:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/deeper-look-at-birthers.html

some of these people correctly think he was born in Hawaii, but don't realize that Hawaii is part of the United States.

[Stranger in a strange land]

^also, you have to take into account that Obama is often described erroneously as an "immigrant" by both his supporters and his detractors, and that might confuse some people, especially those who don't understand the natural born citizen requirement.

[minionofmidas]

Such as, they think it means - or  even can be interpreted to mean - "born in the USA". It doesn't. It's a clear-as-daylight phrase that means "is a citizen by birthright", ie the opposite of a naturalized citizen.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Many of the people who think Obama wasn't born in the USA may not even realize that that would have some bearing on his eligibility to be president.  They may like Obama, think his presidency is legitimate and legal, but they're just repeating some fragment of a rumor they've heard somewhere about where he was born.  I think the %age of Americans who know about the "natural born citizen" rule is far lower than you may think.

Heck, according to this:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/deeper-look-at-birthers.html

some of these people correctly think he was born in Hawaii, but don't realize that Hawaii is part of the United States.

You're right. When a supposedly respected journalist like Cokie Roberts calls Hawaii "an exotic nation", then we shouldn't be surprised if some hick from Kentucky or a high-school dropout from Nebraska don't know that in fact it is a US state. 

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Such as, they think it means - or  even can be interpreted to mean - "born in the USA". It doesn't. It's a clear-as-daylight phrase that means "is a citizen by birthright", ie the opposite of a naturalized citizen.

That assumes that a person cannot be granted naturalized citizenship at birth.  A hyper-picky reading of the XIVth Amendment could be interpreted in a manner that would deny native-born citizenship to a child born abroad of American citizens.  I don't think the debates held in Congress when they sent the XIVth to the states would back that interpretation.  If anything, considering that the debates indicated that those born in the territory of the United States to foreign nationals who had not undertaken steps to place themselves under the jurisdiction of the United States were not to be included in the automatic citizenship grant, reciprocity would require that the children of American citizens are natural born citizens, no matter where the birth takes place.

Aside:
I wonder how many birthers hold the logically inconsistent position that the children of illegal immigrants need not be granted citizenship under the XIVth?  (A position I agree with, but one that logically undercuts the birther argument, that if Barry was born Kenya he would be ineligible to the Presidency.)

[minionofmidas]

That assumes that a person cannot be granted naturalized citizenship at birth. 

It doesn't assume any such thing... it just assumes that that's not what's currently done in the case of born-abroad children of Americans.
[/quote]Picky reading of 14th Amendment[/quote]"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Doesn't say nobody else is (or can be) a citizen of the United States.

Although one wonders why they felt the need to point out that naturalized citizens are citizens - maybe just clarifying that one state's naturalizations are valid in every other state as well?

(But note that the natural-born rights of Americans born abroad - that is, those of future ones - are not constitutionally protected. Congress could just change the relevant acts.)

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Whether Americans born abroad have natural-born citizenship or naturalized citizenship granted at birth is a present an obscure constitutional question not particularly subject to.

... one wonders why they felt the need to point out that naturalized citizens are citizens - maybe just clarifying that one state's naturalizations are valid in every other state as well?

No.  Naturalization was already a Section 8 power of Congress, and worded so that States didn't get involved in the process.  Rather the mention of naturalized citizens is a reaction to the Dred Scott decision which held that State citizenship and United States citizenship need not be equivalent. They are included so as to make it clear that for a resident of a State, one cannot hold only one of those citizenships.

[Hash]

"It's hard to say what the rest of that 20% thinks. We did ask them if they thought Obama was born in France and while less than half a percent of respondents did, two thirds of that remaining 20% said they 'weren't sure' whether Obama was a Frenchman."

rofl

[minionofmidas]

... one wonders why they felt the need to point out that naturalized citizens are citizens - maybe just clarifying that one state's naturalizations are valid in every other state as well?

No.  Naturalization was already a Section 8 power of Congress, and worded so that States didn't get involved in the process.  Rather the mention of naturalized citizens is a reaction to the Dred Scott decision which held that State citizenship and United States citizenship need not be equivalent. They are included so as to make it clear that for a resident of a State, one cannot hold only one of those citizenships.
[/quote]Basically what I meant, though.
Though maybe I ought to have mentioned the concept of individual state citizenship to make it clearer.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

dang...the left is riding the Birthers for all they're worth...I'm sure they will next be blamed for each and everything that goes wrong for Obama