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« Reply #250 on: September 19, 2009, 11:51:31 AM »

1. Abdullah I of Jordan
2. Giulio Andreotti
3. Iouri Andropov
4. Ion Antonescu
5. Hannah Arendt
6. Aung San Suu Kyi
7. Arthur Balfour
8. Willy Brandt
9. Amilcar Cabral
10. Neville Chamberlain
11. Georges Clemenceau
12. Frederik de Klerk
13. Georgi Dimitrov
14. Alexander Dubcek
15. John Foster Dulles
16. Ismail Enver Pasha
17. Ludwig Erhard
18. Franz-Joseph I
19. Indira Gandhi
20. Ernesto Che Guevara
21. Haile Selassie
22. Erich Honecker
23. Janos Kadar
24. Ruhollah Khomeini
25. Martin Luther King
26. Liu Shaoqi
27. Patrice Lumumba
28. Sean MacBride
29. William Mackenzie King
30. Mahathir bin Mohamad
31. Mao Zedong
32. Joseph McCarthy
33. Harold McMillan
34. Andrew Mellon
35. Carlos Menem
36. Mohammed V of Morocco
37. Robert Mugabe
38. Robert Oppenheimer
39. Daniel Ortega
40. John Pershing
41. Abdul Karim Qassim
42. Theodore Roosevelt
43. Mario Soares
44. Alfredo Stroessner
45. Charles Taylor
46. Hideki Tojo
47. Hassan al-Tourabi
48. Getulio Vargas
49. Lech Walesa
50. Woodrow Wilson

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« Reply #251 on: September 19, 2009, 12:16:29 PM »

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« Reply #252 on: September 19, 2009, 12:38:01 PM »

I'll stick to Oppenheimer.
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« Reply #253 on: September 19, 2009, 12:54:32 PM »

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« Reply #254 on: September 19, 2009, 12:56:10 PM »

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« Reply #255 on: September 19, 2009, 12:58:27 PM »

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« Reply #256 on: September 19, 2009, 01:20:16 PM »

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« Reply #257 on: September 19, 2009, 02:03:10 PM »

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« Reply #258 on: September 19, 2009, 02:54:54 PM »

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« Reply #259 on: September 19, 2009, 04:15:54 PM »


Sorry for distraction, Fab, but I have to say this

He's always voting out left-wing leaders and those who are not American lapdogs in first places

That's funny
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« Reply #260 on: September 19, 2009, 06:24:15 PM »

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« Reply #261 on: September 20, 2009, 12:35:56 AM »


Sorry for distraction, Fab, but I have to say this

He's always voting out left-wing leaders and those who are not American lapdogs in first places

That's funny
Thats simply not true, im only voting for ortega cause i didnt feel like voting for the other two main vote getters here and ortega came to mind.
And ortega has done plenty of bad in his time but maybe im judging him too harshly for his 21st century actions and not his 20th. if theres a somoza or a contra on here point them out to me and ill vote them out before him.
Also i despise American foreign policy why do you think i am voting for LBJ now?

Most of my votes in this survivor have been for dictators and the people who work with them such as the nazi people and soviet/eastern bloc ones, so i find it a little unfair that you say i only vote for good left wing American resisters.

Also sorry fab i just dont like it when people accuse me of doing something im not for the second time i might add[the first time when i voted in some other survivor for those great American resister leftists not lapdogs brown and blair.]

 Is there a reason you have singled me out anyways kalwejt? did i vote in some other survivor for someone you considered a massive freedom fighter and now you only see when i vote for that one or two people who i will mildly describe as a cross between ff and not so much? completely ignoring most of the rest of my votes.
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« Reply #262 on: September 20, 2009, 03:56:37 PM »

Kal, you know I like you and I like your contribution to EVERY survivor and to many, many threads in this forum.

But, here, I don't agree with you. I'm sure that Nhoj voted for a smaller number of leftist leaders than I did myself, up to now... Wink
And, well, voting so early for John Paul II, Friedman, Kohl, Erhard, even Reagan may well be considered as a leftist partisan hack from you Grin
(I was really sad about John Paul II and I'll be sad about Kohl)

Of course, unfortunately, many of us, except Hash, Edu and, in a way, Gully Foyle and PiT, have strong leanings.
Of course, it can be partly hidden by "national" trends that makes you, for example, voting for Soviet leaders. Or, for me, a negative stance against African leaders, even pro-Western ones. But, still, the leaning is here.
As for me, I'm often 1 or 2 rounds late to oust rightist leaders: I would have voted for Franco, Stroessner, Reagan, but, well 1, 2 and 4-5 rounds later (respectively...).
And, with Lewis, Sibboleth, Hans-im-Glück, BRTD (though BRTD is more moderate than in previous survivors Wink) and... yourself (yes !! Grin), I'm a bit forced to balance things and so, against my will, I'm forced to vote a bit more on the right than I'd want, or I'm forced to anticipate a bit...

I knew it would be difficult to eliminate Guevara. I know it will be hard to oust Ortega, Gramsci, Sartre, even Togliatti, and though they were all bad men...

Honestly, Nhoj has really voted for dictators and in a quite balanced way. Maybe a little bit more with a centre-right positioning, but less than me !

And, on Ortega proper, well in 1979-1990, he was a disappointment and he didn't really established a democracy or helped his country's economy (especially after 1983-84).
Of course, you may say all of this is Reagan's fault and that Ortega couldn't do anything else.
But he wasn't forced to turn to Havana and Moscow first.
Some more moderate leaders, as Eden Pastora, were sidelined quite quickly.

At least, just acknowledge Ortega is debatable.
But, well, Kohl also. Who would have been so strong in front of Gorbachev in the end of 1989: this is him who took the reunification from Gorbachev and Shevardnadze (who was more open than Gorby on the subject, BTW). Kohl, nobody else.
Who took the decision of the parity 1:1 DM-Ost mark ? Catastrophic economically, very fair socially...
And Kohl, with Mitterrand and Delors, did a lot to save the European idea, which was dying slowly...
So, the debate is difficult on him too. More than on Ortega, I think Wink

Let's keep on voting in this survivor, which is so diverse and miwed that I think you always find a personal "hero", bad or good...
Remember my reluctance to vote for Beria and now for Lin Biao (I should hate them in normal life, but here, well...) Cheesy

It's a game and you can try to make some weird leaders to qualify for the top 5 (Hashemite, Gully Foyle, Lewis, Sibboleth and myself have some, believe me: I already guess1 or 2 Wink)

I would have been pleased by a final Peron-Deng Xiaoping or Beria-Salazar (Sigh) !
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« Reply #263 on: September 20, 2009, 05:37:19 PM »

Daniel Ortega and Yuri Andropov.
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« Reply #264 on: September 21, 2009, 02:27:44 AM »

Just Ortega, least influential of the 2.
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« Reply #265 on: September 21, 2009, 03:19:19 AM »
« Edited: September 21, 2009, 03:25:37 AM by big bad fab »

1. Abdullah I of Jordan
2. Giulio Andreotti
3. Iouri Andropov
4. Ion Antonescu
5. Hannah Arendt
6. Aung San Suu Kyi
7. Arthur Balfour
8. Willy Brandt
9. Amilcar Cabral
10. Neville Chamberlain
11. Georges Clemenceau
12. Frederik de Klerk
13. Georgi Dimitrov
14. Alexander Dubcek
15. John Foster Dulles
16. Ismail Enver Pasha
17. Ludwig Erhard
18. Franz-Joseph I
19. Indira Gandhi
20. Ernesto Che Guevara
21. Haile Selassie
22. Erich Honecker
23. Janos Kadar
24. Ruhollah Khomeini
25. Martin Luther King
26. Liu Shaoqi
27. Patrice Lumumba
28. Sean MacBride
29. William Mackenzie King
30. Mahathir bin Mohamad
31. Mao Zedong
32. Joseph McCarthy
33. Harold McMillan
34. Andrew Mellon
35. Carlos Menem
36. Mohammed V of Morocco
37. Robert Mugabe
38. Robert Oppenheimer
39. Daniel Ortega
40. John Pershing
41. Abdul Karim Qassim
42. Theodore Roosevelt
43. Mario Soares
44. Alfredo Stroessner
45. Charles Taylor
46. Hideki Tojo
47. Hassan al-Tourabi
48. Getulio Vargas
49. Lech Walesa
50. Woodrow Wilson

Round 21:

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Otherwise, usual rule: one vote to eliminate one history maker.

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« Reply #266 on: September 21, 2009, 03:58:54 AM »

3 votes for Daniel Ortega !
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« Reply #267 on: September 21, 2009, 06:02:23 AM »

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« Reply #268 on: September 21, 2009, 06:38:45 AM »

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« Reply #269 on: September 21, 2009, 09:17:12 AM »

Arthour Balfour-Declaration.
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« Reply #270 on: September 21, 2009, 09:36:23 AM »

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« Reply #271 on: September 21, 2009, 10:39:48 AM »

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« Reply #272 on: September 21, 2009, 01:33:02 PM »

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« Reply #273 on: September 21, 2009, 03:26:21 PM »

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« Reply #274 on: September 21, 2009, 11:59:58 PM »

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