French Regionals 2010

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's so beautiful...

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's so beautiful...

Haha, bah, not for me, low EE, PS that has nothing to say, and strong FN.

Low ? 13% is a bit less than Europeans, but still an outstanding performance compared to the Green's traditional performance.

That's so beautiful...

Not really: high abstention, the stupid PS assuring Freche's re-election thanks to their close-minded egomaniac fuss, high FN... Hopefully regionalists do well.

Yeah, abstention was a big disappointment indeed... Couldn't imagine it would gain 15 points... But still, the left has never been so high since decades.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nah they were 14,5% iirc in the 90s (92 iirc), plus that's less than euros, and the FN could pass in front of them, with an official national 1st place, all of this plus a big abstention, actually, not so good.

Well, yeah in the 90s there was a little ecolo momentum, but I tend to think that these results will be more durable.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Cohn-Bendit says EE's objective is to merge with the PS everywhere possible... Lame.

How so ? They can't win anywhere without the PS.

[Antonio the Sixth]

LOL Marleix the gerrymanderer...

Cohn-Bendit says EE's objective is to merge with the PS everywhere possible... Lame.

How so ? They can't win anywhere without the PS.

I know that. It's just that it's time for them to dump their pragmatic-centrist-we're new people crap.

I don't think compromising is a bad thing... This voting system has been made precisely to allow such sort of things, so that green and PS voters will both be represented in the upcoming majority.

[Antonio the Sixth]

another thing: criminality was the second priority in the ifop polls and it's a reason which can explain the FN result.

How strange...

The first one being "DA EVUL IMMIGRANTZ EATING OUR BREADD !!1!11!!!"

[Antonio the Sixth]

Chirac's native Correzien village: http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/074/019/019202.html

LOL

Higher or lower than the Limousin average ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's fine, now: 2 and a half years without REAL reforms and the FN up and a PS reunited despite the "ouverture"....
What a defeat for Sarkozy, on all the fronts...

Well, I guess you feel like I do for Obama and the USA... Sarko also gave much hope to the french right (but admit that for the moment he has done more things than Obama ).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, just saw the maps. Awesome.

[Antonio the Sixth]

- universities,

Isn't the reform already done now (which obviously is bad new for me) ?

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They have started to work on the "reform", and I'm glad my little brother will be just old enough to escape it.

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Indeed LOL. Basically, it's indeed a total failure, but you can't say he didn't try. The only problem is that while dogmatically applying the "one of to civil servants not replaced" inanity, they at the same time practiced a fiscally irresponsible policy that ruined the Stat even more.

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Isn't it done also ? If it's not, I'm glad to learn it.

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What was he exactly supposed to do ? The agricultural policy is mainly an european one.

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It passed few time ago, even though it's a quite light one.

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Don't remember anything particular, true.

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You mean the obnoxious reform of the voting system they are preparing for 2014 ?

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The problem is that Sarkozy used it as if it was a positive term in itself. Remorm just means "change" : change can be good or bad, depends how it was before. Obviously some things need to be changed, but not everything and not in the way the government is doing.

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The problem isn't public spending itself, but public deficit. Maybe the first step would be not to cut the recipes by fiscal exoneration, but...

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Come on, you can disagree with Jospin's policies in many ways (and we already discussed this I think), but admit that this time was pretty good on several aspects, especially compared with the current situation. Maybe in two years we'll see what a new socialist government is able to achieve, but I doubt it would be as awful as the current one.

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Ideologically leftist, yes (and also with a pretty archaic and unrealistic left, that is the real problem). Maybe not that much as external observers believe, at least I fear that most people in France as elsewhere are more and more mistrusting the Welfare State. Sarkozy's win in 2007 (besides the problem of her opponent) proves that people have interiorized the ideas that "things should change" in terms of Welfare State and in general of the Stte's action. And even though now they seem reluctant, I fear they will eventually accept all the future neoliberal "reforms". Another thing that, reversely, makes me think to the USA.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Deadline for new runoff lists in tomorrow, 18:00. The Greenies and PS are actively negotiating.

Well yeah, they have to hurry up now.

Damn, when I think that an united FG+PS+V list in Languedoc would have polled 25% I really feel bad...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Damn, when I think that an united FG+PS+V list in Languedoc would have polled 25% I really feel bad...

You can thank the PS for that. Furthermore, the PS will vote for the racist collabo in the runoff, indirectly. Thankfully the Greens have some integrity and they don't change their positions, they won't vote for the racist collabo.

Couderc is, amusingly, proposing spots to the Greenies and Socialists on his lists... A large anti-Freche"Republican Front" would be fun, but it won't happen. Thanks a lot, Martine!

Oh, damn, it, damn it.
Either she didn't started the anti-Frêche campagne or she should have going until the and and done the things correctly. Yes, that means abandoning the list head to Roumégas. And so ? At least it would have been the symbol of the left's unity against a populist dumbass. At the second round, they would easily have fusione with FG and would have had a decent representation in the Assembly. Damn it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Question:

How is it determined in each region which candidate can advance to the run-off in 1 week ?

Well, the PS has been ahed of EE in every region, so they will keep the head of lists in everyone. As for the lists, it should be proportional to the number of votes got.

Apparently talks between Greenies and PS haven't been perfect, though they have a deal in PACA, Poitou, Alsace, Midi-Pyrenees (lol Onesta) and Champage-Ardenne; nothing Bretagne, unknown in IdF... Yet knowing how the Greenies are nothing more than the PS' little sidekick, they'll get together.

According to what I heard, it's going quite bad. But they can't be stupid enough not to ally in strategical regions.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Question:

How is it determined in each region which candidate can advance to the run-off in 1 week ?

Well, the PS has been ahed of EE in every region, so they will keep the head of lists in everyone. As for the lists, it should be proportional to the number of votes got.

I´m just asking, because in 2004 for example in Aquitaine, the FN candidate ranked 4th in the 1st round behind the UDF candidate, but it was the FN candidate who advanced to the second round.

And why do some regions have run-offs with 3 candidates and others just with 2 candidates and in the case of Corse even more ? How is that determined how many candidates advance to round 2 ?

The UDF used to merge its lists with the UMP in the Second Round, so they became one list. The FN instead never does. An in Corse the threshold is smaller, to fit with the island's particular politics.

Look at the educational system and the university system, what is learnt and how it is learnt.

Here I'd like to have some examples, because I really fail to see what in the program is so "left-wing".

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well... It's pretty stupid that they didn't merge their lists in Bretagne. Anyways, Le Drian will probably win without EE, and the only result will be that they will have less seats in the Council. A pity for them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well... It's pretty stupid that they didn't merge their lists in Bretagne. Anyways, Le Drian will probably win without EE, and the only result will be that they will have less seats in the Council. A pity for them.

Le Drian was giving them 10 seats, against 11 in 2004. Obviously, they had the honour to say no.

It all depends to the score they made (yeah, I'm to lazy to look at the results and see how much they would deserve with a proportional repartition), but yes, it seems a clear underrepresentation.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well... It's pretty stupid that they didn't merge their lists in Bretagne. Anyways, Le Drian will probably win without EE, and the only result will be that they will have less seats in the Council. A pity for them.

Le Drian was giving them 10 seats, against 11 in 2004. Obviously, they had the honour to say no.

It all depends to the score they made (yeah, I'm to lazy to look at the results and see how much they would deserve with a proportional repartition), but yes, it seems a clear underrepresentation.

EE says they deserve 14-15.

Well, it's probably true. Not surprising from the PS : they praise Greens where they need them and bully them where they don't.

[Antonio the Sixth]

News: there is finally no deal between FG and PS in Limousin, so a three-way there. No deal either in Picardie between FG (non-Gremetz, 5% or so) and the PS. And of course, l'exception bretonne for the PS-EE deal.

A new map, results by constituency:



lol at Marleix's base in Cantal. lol also at NDA's base in Yerres. Favourite son patterns to the max. The results around Saumur and Chateau-Gontier (the UMP deputy, Favennec, was on the UMP list, though) for the UMP are also interesting, as is Joyandet's strong showing in Pontarlier and Vesoul (where he's mayor) and also the UMP's strength in northern Bas-Rhin.

What is really amazing is how sh**t-poor the UMP did in Lorraine, it's quite shocking. Also, another thing to pick up is how poorly the UMP did out west. Auxiette and Beauvais are ahead of the UMP by the first round in their regions, showing a continuation of the recent turn to the left of the historically right-wing reactionary belt of the inner west.

As in 2004, the destruction of the UMP in working-class areas is shocking, though not unsurprising.

Lorraine, Midi and Bretagne are the 3 regions where the UMP did not win any constituency.

Do you know how many constituencies were won by each party ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wow... Just heard Bernard Debré at the radio and he said things that would have been unthinkable for a right-winger just some months before... Really, it's the first time I hear such criticism (yeah, Juppé also has already been a "free speaker", but it's more). I really start thinking the "Sarkozy system" is beginning to collapse...
And that makes me feel good.

[Antonio the Sixth]

News: there is finally no deal between FG and PS in Limousin, so a three-way there. No deal either in Picardie between FG (non-Gremetz, 5% or so) and the PS. And of course, l'exception bretonne for the PS-EE deal.

A new map, results by constituency:



lol at Marleix's base in Cantal. lol also at NDA's base in Yerres. Favourite son patterns to the max. The results around Saumur and Chateau-Gontier (the UMP deputy, Favennec, was on the UMP list, though) for the UMP are also interesting, as is Joyandet's strong showing in Pontarlier and Vesoul (where he's mayor) and also the UMP's strength in northern Bas-Rhin.

What is really amazing is how sh**t-poor the UMP did in Lorraine, it's quite shocking. Also, another thing to pick up is how poorly the UMP did out west. Auxiette and Beauvais are ahead of the UMP by the first round in their regions, showing a continuation of the recent turn to the left of the historically right-wing reactionary belt of the inner west.

As in 2004, the destruction of the UMP in working-class areas is shocking, though not unsurprising.

Lorraine, Midi and Bretagne are the 3 regions where the UMP did not win any constituency.

Do you know how many constituencies were won by each party ?

including DOMs

PS-DVG-Giacobbi 367
UMP 191
FG 4
PPM-Letchimy 3
Regionalist 2 (1 Femu a Corsica, 1 MIM)
PCR 2
DLR 1

Wow... If only that were the results of 2007 legislqtives.

[Antonio the Sixth]

News: there is finally no deal between FG and PS in Limousin, so a three-way there. No deal either in Picardie between FG (non-Gremetz, 5% or so) and the PS. And of course, l'exception bretonne for the PS-EE deal.

A new map, results by constituency:



lol at Marleix's base in Cantal. lol also at NDA's base in Yerres. Favourite son patterns to the max. The results around Saumur and Chateau-Gontier (the UMP deputy, Favennec, was on the UMP list, though) for the UMP are also interesting, as is Joyandet's strong showing in Pontarlier and Vesoul (where he's mayor) and also the UMP's strength in northern Bas-Rhin.

What is really amazing is how sh**t-poor the UMP did in Lorraine, it's quite shocking. Also, another thing to pick up is how poorly the UMP did out west. Auxiette and Beauvais are ahead of the UMP by the first round in their regions, showing a continuation of the recent turn to the left of the historically right-wing reactionary belt of the inner west.

As in 2004, the destruction of the UMP in working-class areas is shocking, though not unsurprising.

Lorraine, Midi and Bretagne are the 3 regions where the UMP did not win any constituency.

Do you know how many constituencies were won by each party ?

including DOMs

PS-DVG-Giacobbi 367
UMP 191
FG 4
PPM-Letchimy 3
Regionalist 2 (1 Femu a Corsica, 1 MIM)
PCR 2
DLR 1

Wow... If only that were the results of 2007 legislqtives.

It's only the first round, and with the left's division, it doesn't mean much of anything. You'll see a much, much bleaker image for the UMP on Sunday. Much bleaker.

Indeed, since 367 seats is already an epic score for the PS, I can't immagine what the second round will give us...

But by the way... How comes a so big majority with only 2 points more ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Be careful, Antonio, it's just a FPTP map.

Precisely : the PS will do even better in the second round.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Be careful, Antonio, it's just a FPTP map.

Precisely : the PS will do even better in the second round.

Oh no, I just wanted to answer your question on "a so big majority with onyl 2 points more".

Indeed, winning 367 constituencies against 191 when you have only a 2-points edge seems weird to me. Such result wouldn't have surprised me in the Second Round, because indeed the PS's majority will be far higher.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Be careful, Antonio, it's just a FPTP map.

Precisely : the PS will do even better in the second round.

Oh no, I just wanted to answer your question on "a so big majority with onyl 2 points more".

Indeed, winning 367 constituencies against 191 when you have only a 2-points edge seems weird to me. Such result wouldn't have surprised me in the Second Round, because indeed the PS's majority will be far higher.

Such are the wonders of FPTP. The PQ won 76 seats to the Liberals' 48 in Quebec 1998 despite losing the popular vote 43-44. FPTP amplifies everything, making a small lead in the popular vote a sizable majority.

Yeah, that's weird.
It's definitely the worst, and most retarded voting system ever. And they plan to introduce it for next local elections...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Georges Frêche (IND): 58%
Raymond Couderc (UMP): 28%
France Jamet (FN): 14%

*facepalm*