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« on: September 12, 2009, 09:47:59 PM »

Maybe someone can correct me on this. Is government owning and regulating something inspired within democracies, or did it come into existence under monarchs and other non democratic governments?

What I know so far is Karl Marx(a progressive) was the first to suggest everything should be owned by the state, but maybe I'm wrong. Can someone tell me this?

I never heard any democracy adopting government intervention within industry before the 19th century.

Otto von Bismarck in Germany was the first to introduce public health insurance and Great Britain the first to institute a Public health care program, both which are after Karl Marx's philosophies.

True Whig Party in Liberia is widely considered the first party of a single-party-states. Also After Karl Marx.

And did the government after the French Revolution own anything to the state?

It seems that Fascism is actually Progressivism with alot of elements of conservatism and corporatism mixed in with a form of socialism aswell.

And Benito Mussolini used to be a Marxist and was an atheist, after he was dictator in Italy and converted just to get more support. Did he barrow elements from Marxism?

And where did Karl Marx get this idea of owning everything?

It seems some democracies have government-intervention but all dictatorships having intervention.
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 10:29:29 PM »

Stop misusing the term "progressive."
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 10:32:18 PM »

Progressive is moving on. It could mean establish a movement or a government that believs in change.

Mussolini was certainly not a conservative.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 10:43:34 PM »

Actually I learned about this kind of subject in Intermediate Accounting earlier this week. Back in the ancient days of yore the elite of society, the rulers and their group of priests (in other words the oligarchs), used to own everything and they used stone tablets to keep a record of the property they own. So government owning everything is by no means a modern idea. Right now I'm too lazy to analyze whether or not "progressivism" implies the same thing. I'll leave that to you guys.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 10:49:54 PM »


No it isn't.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 10:54:39 PM »


What the hell is progressive anyway?
There are some progressive parties that are decisively left wing overall, and yet there are some like the Progressive Democrats in Ireland who are right wing when it comes to economics.

Is "progressive" just another bastardized political term like "liberal"?
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 10:55:31 PM »

Your talking about what is perhaps the most complex political field, it is quite difficult to explain.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2009, 11:05:39 PM »


What the hell is progressive anyway?
There are some progressive parties that are decisively left wing overall, and yet there are some like the Progressive Democrats in Ireland who are right wing when it comes to economics.

Is "progressive" just another bastardized political term like "liberal"?

Communists and Socialists are progressives, aswell.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 11:08:02 PM »


What the hell is progressive anyway?
There are some progressive parties that are decisively left wing overall, and yet there are some like the Progressive Democrats in Ireland who are right wing when it comes to economics.

Is "progressive" just another bastardized political term like "liberal"?

No. It's a term unrelated to a left-right scale (in the same idea that libertarianism is, I suppose) that has been turned into a euphemism for liberal by the media.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 11:17:07 PM »


What the hell is progressive anyway?
There are some progressive parties that are decisively left wing overall, and yet there are some like the Progressive Democrats in Ireland who are right wing when it comes to economics.

Is "progressive" just another bastardized political term like "liberal"?

No. It's a term unrelated to a left-right scale (in the same idea that libertarianism is, I suppose) that has been turned into a euphemism for liberal by the media.

Give me your idea of what a progressive is.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2009, 12:46:11 AM »

Mussolini was certainly not a conservative.

Yes, he was.

To answer your thread question; it has nothing to do with liberty, but pragmatism.
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