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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #225 on: August 28, 2014, 03:34:04 AM »

Firstly, I haven't seen any of the California's here, what would the graphs look like?

And secondly what would all these divided/integrated states look like in 1988?

I imagine West Coast would go to Dukakis, but the other two would go to Bush.

Patience! I'm slowly moving from east to west to cover all the new States, so California will be among the last. It's going to take a while, but I've got to keep something good for the ending. Wink
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« Reply #226 on: August 28, 2014, 05:35:47 AM »

I've got to keep something good for the ending. Wink

EVS of both of them and county results of only the changed states?
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« Reply #227 on: August 28, 2014, 11:53:57 AM »

@Robb: Ah but you could still get the entire 1988 map up, the big maps were going strong from 1960 and then just cut off at 1984 inexplicably.

But in that case with the other part,looking forward to it.
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« Reply #228 on: August 28, 2014, 03:55:06 PM »

@Robb: Ah but you could still get the entire 1988 map up, the big maps were going strong from 1960 and then just cut off at 1984 inexplicably.

The "big maps" are (for lack of a better term) non-canonical. They were Mechaman's work, not mine, and were based on guesswork rather than actual calculations. Actually, if you take a close look at some of the States I've covered so far, you'll notice a few mistakes. For example, Mondale actually lost New York in 1984, but won Maryland, the opposite of what Mechaman showed.

I will make the "official" maps soon enough, don't worry. Complete with popular vote shades and EVs. Smiley
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« Reply #229 on: August 30, 2014, 05:25:41 PM »

Before we go any further, I've made a few final tweaks to the overall States map. Here's what it looks like now:



There are a couple things I'm not very happy with (notably the big MT+WY+ND+SD megastate, which I named Lincoln) but overall I think I've come up with the least problematic solution everywhere. Also FTR, Oregon is the name of the State made up of Idaho and eastern WA/OR, while Washington is the State that comprises coastal WA and OR. Sorry for the slight confusion, but I thought it would be a shame to toss the name "Oregon" away considering it was the region's name before it even became American land. Tongue

Now here's what the 2010 reapportionment would look like under this map (this time the numbers are 100% official Wink).

StatePopulationCDs
California del Sur21,146,84730
New York13,038,82618
South Florida11,039,03516
Georgia9,687,65314
Chicago9,686,02114
Michigan9,572,27914
North Carolina9,535,48313
Pacific8,906,50413
Jefferson8,796,33912
New Jersey8,791,89412
Texas8,599,82712
Washington8,573,43212
Virginia8,001,02411
Pennsylvania7,773,45111
North Florida7,762,27511
Rio Grande7,749,39511
Massachusetts7,600,19611
Maryland7,273,20910
California7,166,68210
Ohio6,852,20110
Arizona6,392,0179
Tennessee6,346,1059
Adirondack6,339,2769
Missouri5,988,9278
Wisconsin5,831,9218
Indiana5,664,2658
Minnesota5,303,9257
Colorado5,029,1967
Allegheny4,928,9287
Alabama4,779,7367
Erie4,684,3037
South Carolina4,625,3647
Louisiana4,533,3726
Kentucky4,339,3676
Illinois4,130,5746
Oklahoma3,751,3515
Connecticut3,574,0975
Oregon3,549,7645
New England3,270,5725
Iowa3,046,3554
Lincoln3,039,8124
Mississipi2,967,2974
Arkansas2,915,9184
Kansas2,853,1184
Utah2,763,8854
Nevada2,734,4744
New Mexico2,059,1793
West Virginia1,852,9943
Nebraska1,826,3413
Hawaii1,360,3012
Alaska710,2311
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« Reply #230 on: August 30, 2014, 05:28:42 PM »

Rob, could I propose one other state?
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« Reply #231 on: August 30, 2014, 05:45:31 PM »


You obviously can propose, but I absolutely want to keep their number to 51, so that we can still have 538 presidential electors. Wink
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« Reply #232 on: August 30, 2014, 09:19:33 PM »

That map will certainly come in very handy.

I'm not so sure about merging the two Carolinas.  They do have some significant differences, both now and historically after all.  If we're making requests, though, did you consider naming the state of Chicago "Cook" instead?  Sometimes when discussing a breakup of IL that's the name I like to go for.
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« Reply #233 on: August 31, 2014, 03:48:35 AM »
« Edited: August 31, 2014, 06:34:22 AM by Robb the Survivor »

Sorry Jerry, but I really don't like your idea. First of all, why in the world would I want to merge the Carolinas? NC is already one of the biggest States, and SC is only slightly underpopulated (and growing fast) and the two States are increasingly different politically. Your California map doesn't work either: the red and blue States would have no more than 5 districts each, while your coastal State stretching from the Bay Area to LA (something I find inherently wrong) would be wayyy too large. I don't understand what's your point in making these changes. Huh
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« Reply #234 on: August 31, 2014, 04:29:18 AM »

With all these tweaks, I'm surprised you didn't add the Florida panhandle to Alabama.
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« Reply #235 on: August 31, 2014, 06:27:03 AM »

Just had a read through of this thread, great work, especially the analysis of each state. Smiley Also, Michigan really does look like a thumb without the Upper Peninsula!
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« Reply #236 on: August 31, 2014, 09:22:24 AM »

With all these tweaks, I'm surprised you didn't add the Florida panhandle to Alabama.

I guess you're right, that would actually have made more sense. For aesthetic reasons I'd have to split it between Alabama and Georgia, and that would still leave us with enough population for two States. Though probably not so in the 1960s, when Florida as a whole was only an average sized State.
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« Reply #237 on: August 31, 2014, 03:37:41 PM »

Since you took Indiana's access to Lake Michigan and gave it all to Chicago, any plans to compensate Indiana for that loss?
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« Reply #238 on: August 31, 2014, 06:39:40 PM »

Since you took Indiana's access to Lake Michigan and gave it all to Chicago, any plans to compensate Indiana for that loss?

Surely Jesus will provide.
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« Reply #239 on: August 31, 2014, 06:53:45 PM »

With all these tweaks, I'm surprised you didn't add the Florida panhandle to Alabama.

I guess you're right, that would actually have made more sense. For aesthetic reasons I'd have to split it between Alabama and Georgia, and that would still leave us with enough population for two States. Though probably not so in the 1960s, when Florida as a whole was only an average sized State.

I was only thinking of the part west of the Chattahoochee and Apalachicola Rivers.  (The Chattahoochee forms the southern half of the current Alabama-Georgia border.)  If you move the Tallahassee area into another state, Georgia would make more sense than Alabama, but I see no pressing reason to make Georgia a bicoastal state.
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« Reply #240 on: September 01, 2014, 01:23:31 PM »

With all these tweaks, I'm surprised you didn't add the Florida panhandle to Alabama.

I guess you're right, that would actually have made more sense. For aesthetic reasons I'd have to split it between Alabama and Georgia, and that would still leave us with enough population for two States. Though probably not so in the 1960s, when Florida as a whole was only an average sized State.

I was only thinking of the part west of the Chattahoochee and Apalachicola Rivers.  (The Chattahoochee forms the southern half of the current Alabama-Georgia border.)  If you move the Tallahassee area into another state, Georgia would make more sense than Alabama, but I see no pressing reason to make Georgia a bicoastal state.

Isn't the area East of those rivers, but still North of the peninsula, still pretty similar culturally and politically to the western tip? I would be a tad annoyed to leave the former in Florida while I give the latter to Alabama. Though you're right that Georgia is already too populous a State to deserve additional land.
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« Reply #241 on: September 03, 2014, 04:57:29 PM »

So is Ohio the Northern half, or the Southern half?
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« Reply #242 on: September 03, 2014, 05:03:02 PM »

So is Ohio the Northern half, or the Southern half?

Northern half

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« Reply #243 on: September 04, 2014, 01:46:02 AM »

So is Ohio the Northern half, or the Southern half?

Erie is the northern State (obviously Tongue) so Ohio is the southern one.

I'll try to post Erie's profile by tomorrow, anyway. Smiley
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« Reply #244 on: September 04, 2014, 06:45:40 AM »

So is Ohio the Northern half, or the Southern half?

Erie is the northern State (obviously Tongue) so Ohio is the southern one.

I'll try to post Erie's profile by tomorrow, anyway. Smiley

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« Reply #245 on: September 05, 2014, 10:57:00 AM »

Note: classes have started again, so I will not be able to maintain the level of activity I used to have during the summer break. I fully intend to keep on with the State profiles until I've covered the entire new US maps, but it will be at a slower pace - something like one State per week. Also, my presentations will be more succinct. Hope you guys are OK with that. Smiley


Erie

Centered around the heavily industrial areas of Cleveland, Akron and Toledo along the eponymous lake, Erie is the quintessential Rust Belt State. Once the nation's industrial heartland, it has suffered a massive economic collapse and population decline over the last four decades. However, contrary to neighboring Allegheny, this State's political leanings haven't changed much in response to the depression. From the 1960s to these days, Erie was and remains a markedly Democratic State.

ER Presidential election results, 1960-2012:


Erie's Democratic lean may not be as overwhelming as that of Massachusetts, Maryland or New York, but goes clearly beyond the "swing State" mark. The only Republican candidates who managed to prevail here were Nixon in 1972, and Reagan both times - and never by a margin of more than 10 points. The extent of the Democratic advantage hasn't varied much, generally comprised between 9 and 15 points (if anything, the State has experienced a slight Democratic trend over the long run). In the New Deal era, a heavily unionized white industrial working class was the key of Democratic supremacy in the State. Today, losses among this category have been more than compensated by the overwhelming Democratic vote of African-Americans, particularly in Cleveland. This partisan setting is unlikely to change anytime soon.

Capital: There's really no choice besides Cleveland.

Governor: Lee Fisher

Senators: Tim Ryan (class 2) and Sherrod Brown (class 3) - many thanks to the poster Dubya for his very fitting suggestions.

Representatives: Even after 2010, my numbers indicate that Democrats should retain control of the State legislature, and thus be able to enact their gerrymander. Thanks to Fuzzybigfoot and Muon we know for sure that they would be able to get a 6D-1R map.
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« Reply #246 on: September 05, 2014, 11:47:42 AM »

Ohio is going to be brutal for Democrats. Great work! Cheesy
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« Reply #247 on: September 06, 2014, 08:26:51 PM »

Since you took Indiana's access to Lake Michigan and gave it all to Chicago, any plans to compensate Indiana for that loss?

Surely Jesus will provide.

I was asking Antoino V
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« Reply #248 on: September 06, 2014, 09:18:03 PM »

Since you took Indiana's access to Lake Michigan and gave it all to Chicago, any plans to compensate Indiana for that loss?

Surely Jesus will provide.

I was asking Antoino V

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« Reply #249 on: September 07, 2014, 03:55:02 AM »

Since you took Indiana's access to Lake Michigan and gave it all to Chicago, any plans to compensate Indiana for that loss?

Surely Jesus will provide.

I was asking Antoino V

I'm not really interested in taking the realism of this scenario that far, tbh. Assume what you wish on "compensation" etc.
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