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« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2010, 06:16:29 pm »
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I listed the various areas of St. Michael in my post on that:

Stovesby-Saint Michael Airport Lands, La Côte, Old Saint Michael (both coastal), Stovesby West, Walsh Acres (inland areas)
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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2010, 07:06:52 pm »
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Central:




I: Central (southwest)
Y: Oldhaven
W: Stovesby Heath
B: Royal Square
P: Cathedral Park
R: Old Stovesby
G: The City

II: Low Town (northwest)
Y: Liardet
W: Francismouth
B: Point Sentinel
P: Low Town
R: Creagh's Rise
G: Creagh's Marsh

III: Chamberlain (central)
Y: Stovesby University
W: Envoy's Grange
B: Chamberlain
P: North Chamberlain
R: South Chamberlain
G: Oxbridge Village

IV: St. Jude's (southeast)
Y: St. Jude's Quay
W: Wallside
B: Gallowfield
P: Gallowfield West
R: St. Jude's
G: Farrer's Cliff

V: Shaddyside (northeast)
Y: Gardendale
W: Old Shaddyside
B: Shaddyside Parks
P: High Shaddyside
R: Shaddy Willows
G: Lower Shaddyside
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« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2010, 07:09:13 pm »
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I listed the various areas of St. Michael in my post on that:

Stovesby-Saint Michael Airport Lands, La Côte, Old Saint Michael (both coastal), Stovesby West, Walsh Acres (inland areas)

OK, I'll change McCutcheon's Inlet to La Côte; Saint Michael Town to Old Saint Michael and Gardendale to Walsh Acres. Where would Stovesby West fit in? Maybe a Stovesby North could be possible? Also I really like the name Aviation city but I'll change it if you want Smiley

Also, some of these are too big or too small to be suburbs, so maybe these are precincts or some other type of collection zone? Certainly I think we need to have something to recognise distinctions below the Ward level, but I don't know if this is perfect. I'll finish them off anyway.
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« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2010, 07:47:12 pm »
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Northeast:



XIV: Frodsby (southwest)
Y: Frodsby South
W: Frodsby
B: Wedlock South
P: Frodsby East
R: Frodsby West
G: Wedlock North

XVIII: Upper Stovesby (north)
Y: Upfield
W: Thornburgh
B: West Starnton
P: New North Stovesby
R: Starnton
G: Churchill Gardens

XVI: Eastridge (southeast)
Y: Eastridge Meadows
W: Dundas
B: Eastridge Springs
P: Dundas Estate
R: Eastridge Heights
G: Darlingdale
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« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2010, 08:16:37 pm »
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Inner East:



X: Stovesby Island (south)
Y: Reum's Canal
W: Leip Quay
B: Healestown
P: West Stovesby Island
R: East Stovesby Island
G: Southern Sandplains

IX: Isaacstown (west)
Y: Connaght Town
W: North Isaacstown
B: New Port
P: Reumtown
R: East Stovesby
G: Isaacstown

XI: Sanker (east)
Y: Sanker Village
W: Milfage
B: North Sanker
P: East Sanker
R: West Sanker
G: Berrigan

XII: Gawther (north)
Y: Gwydir
W: Gawther
B: Parkville
P: Gawther Acres
R: Millheath Estate
G: Roeville
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« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2010, 08:46:56 pm »
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Outer East
XXII: Ardthorpe
Y: Styre Ponds
W: Ardthorpe Colliery and Pity Us
B: Ardthorpe
P: Donsett
R: Low Ardthorpe Riverside
G: Henderson Estate

XVII: Shovington
Y: Daffodil Dale Estate
W: North Shovington
B: Rosette Estate
P: Shovington Industrial Estate
R: Shovington
G: New Shovington

XXI: Hellsby
Y: Collierstown
W: Summerdell
B: Phillipton
P: Lake Elizabeth
R: Willows Estate
G: Hellsbyton

XIX: Hellsby Wood
Y: McCutcheon's Inlet
W: Lodwick
B: Farthing
P: Hellsby Wood
R: South Hellsbyton
G: Blighville

XV: Outer Docks and Industrial Estates
Y: Webber Dock
W: Petroleum City
B: Cardinia
P: Shallowmarsh
R: Lewes Spit
G: Lewes River

(actual divisions in map below)

CITY-WIDE MAP OF SPECIFIC LOCALITIES (proposed)

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« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2010, 08:50:40 pm »

Nice idea. These could easily be recognised postal areas or something. Most of the names are pretty good, actually, especially those in the main urban area.

R: St. Jude's
G: Without

"Without" is never on its own - it just means "the part furthest from the centre". Its an old (and now obsolete way of naming wards, rather than actual areas).
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« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2010, 08:59:05 pm »

Y: Outer Ardthorpe
W: Ardthorpe West
B: Ardthorpe
P: Welloun Ranges
R: Low Ardthorpe
G: Donsett

Donsett is the one in purple. The one in green is a big estate... lets say... the Henderson Estate (after Arthur). In a mining town, yellow would be more likely to have a compasspoint name or the name of an old geographic feature no longer there. White... Ardthorpe Colliery and Pity Us (there's a place in County Durham called Pity Me). R could just be riverside.

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XVII: Shovington
Y: Daffodil Dale
W: North Shovington
B: Rosette
P: Stovesby Business Park
R: Shovington
G: New Shovington

Make that 'Daffodil Dale Estate', 'Rosette Estate' and 'Shovington Industrial Estate'.

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XXI: Hellsby
Y: Collierstown
W: Summerdell
B: Phillipton
P: Lake Elizabeth
R: Willows Estate
G: Hellsbyton

XIX: Hellsby Wood
Y: McCutcheon's Inlet
W: Lodwick
B: Farthing
P: Hellsby Wood
R: South Hellsbyton
G: Blighville

Most of these would be proposed names, of course.
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« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2010, 09:11:55 pm »
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OK, I'll make the changes now. 'Without' becomes Farrer's Cliff or Bellville?
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« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2010, 09:18:32 pm »
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I also snuck a modern term into 1950s Britain. Lovely.
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« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2010, 09:31:04 pm »

OK, I'll make the changes now. 'Without' becomes Farrer's Cliff or Bellville?

First one sounds more like the sort of place we're dealing with.

I also snuck a modern term into 1950s Britain. Lovely.

lol

District and colour?

I can't complain as there are some seriously nasty jokes in some of the NPC names...
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« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2010, 09:33:33 pm »
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OK, I'll make the changes now. 'Without' becomes Farrer's Cliff or Bellville?

First one sounds more like the sort of place we're dealing with.

I also snuck a modern term into 1950s Britain. Lovely.

lol

District and colour?

I can't complain as there are some seriously nasty jokes in some of the NPC names...

White Sanker.

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« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2010, 11:00:43 pm »
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New ward name suggestions (eliminating shared names where possible):

Willow Tree
Saint Michael ( I prefer St., but whatever is used should be consistent and Hash wants Saint)
Culzeansands
St. Andrews
Greater St. Alban
Soult
North Liberty

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Frodsby
[Upfield?] Starnton (I'd suggest a complete renaming from Upper Stovesby; it's too distant from the centre)
Eastridge

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St. John's (I presume you already had a reason for this, otherwise Stovesby Town)
Creaghs
Low Town
Chamberlain
University
Wallside Gallowfield
St. Jude's
Gardendale
Shaddyside
High Willows

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Isaacstown
East Stovesby and Island OR Reum
Gawther
Sanker
(this area could do with another ward, but no one area could justify it. Guess that's where the gameplay comes in...)

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Shovington and Hellsby
Ardthorpe
Donsett Henderson
Lewes (I'd actually combine the Island with Lewes and have separate wards for Isaactown/Isaactown North/the northern part of New Port (loosely, the port itself) and then East Stovesby/Connaght Town/Reumtown and the southern (actually populated) part of New Port; I know the Island ward would be underpopulated but its better than overpopulating the Isaacstown area wards)

.......of course, that was an extreme avoidance and based on a little bit of prejudice Smiley
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« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2010, 12:52:16 am »
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Idea for a little bit more character within areas: suburbs.

I love this idea, personally. That's sort of how I was thinking when I separated St Alban and Sunnybrae.

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VIII: St Alban and Sunnybrae (Central)
Y: Murrumburgh
W: Sunnybrae Fields
B: Sunnybrae
P: Chadstone
R: St Alban
G: St Alban South

I love how you snuck Chadstone and an anglicised version of Murrumbeena (for those not in-the-know, that's the part of Melbourne where I live) into the map. Any chance of switching Sunnybrae Fields and Chadstone over? Your blue/purple area combined was pretty much precisely what I was thinking of Sunnybrae in my original description.

Sunnybrae was actually a reference to my part of Brisbane - Sunnybank (which was initially called Sunnybrae, but changed to Sunnybank fairly early on in its settlement).

The photo of St Alban was actually Davis Avenue in South Yarra - just around the corner from that Thai restaurant we went to that time.
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« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2010, 02:38:28 am »
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Hehe, I was about 95% sure it was South Yarra.

Can you spot the other couple of little Australianisms? I made the switch, btw.
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« Reply #115 on: January 24, 2010, 06:00:14 am »
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Hehe, I was about 95% sure it was South Yarra.

Can you spot the other couple of little Australianisms? I made the switch, btw.

I've noticed Upfield, and Blighville (in case it's named after either the Queensland Premier or the early Governor of NSW) and I suspected Phillipton to be a reference to Port Phillip Bay or the early name of the settlement where Melbourne is today. I also wondered if New Port was a reference to Newport out near Williamstown.

I was a little surprised you went with Murrumbeena - I would have thought you'd have chosen the other railway station here rather than the suburb - Hughesdale.
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« Reply #116 on: January 24, 2010, 06:21:48 am »
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That would've been too obvious Cheesy

Phillipton and Lake Elizabeth are of course in honour of their highnesses, and not Melbourne-specific.

Cardinia is on the eastern outskirts of Melbourne, and one of the major water reservoirs is there (and in this game, it's where the also essential power station is)

Webber Dock is named after the main large-ship dock at the Port of Melbourne, Webb Dock.

Blighville wasn't particularly intentional.

Almawood is a personal one; I went to St. Michael's for two years, and it's on Alma road also near Crimea St, Redan St, Sebastopol St...you get the idea)

You got Murrumburgh and Chadstone.

Liardet's Beach was the second name for Sandridge, which eventually became Port Melbourne. The first name was Wilbraham's Landing, and I kind of wish we'd kept it.

You missed Thornburgh (Thornbury), got Upfield, and missed Dundas (although that one is hard, it's a now-defunct name for the northern part of Albert Park, although there's still a Dundas Pl.). No excuse for missing Parkville though, and I thought Roeville (Rowville in Melbourne) would've been quite clear too Smiley.

Healestown is stolen from Healesville, New Port is kinda sorta stolen from Newport. While not stolen from Melbourne, Gwydir should be familiar to you, and Berrigan is a town in NSW (and also a nearby street here in Canberra).

Of course, if people don't like the names, they can ask me to change them or reject my divisions of the divisions altogether. But I like that it has a pepperng of the new world without anything obviously out of place Smiley
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« Reply #117 on: January 24, 2010, 06:39:56 am »
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Cardinia is on the eastern outskirts of Melbourne, and one of the major water reservoirs is there (and in this game, it's where the also essential power station is)

I should have got that one.

No excuse for missing Parkville though, and I thought Roeville (Rowville in Melbourne) would've been quite clear too Smiley.

I spotted Parkville initially, but missed it when I was typing up my post. I really should have spotted Rowville since I used to live in the next suburb over (but didn't spot it).

Healestown is stolen from Healesville, New Port is kinda sorta stolen from Newport. While not stolen from Melbourne, Gwydir should be familiar to you, and Berrigan is a town in NSW (and also a nearby street here in Canberra).

I had also spotted Healestown/Healesville in my initial read and likewise Gwydir but again missed them when typing my post. Berrigan sounded familiar, but I thought it might have been because of the Rugby League player.
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« Reply #118 on: January 24, 2010, 08:38:26 am »

I will do a nicer ward map later and will keep this in mind. A couple of comments...

[Upfield?] Starnton (I'd suggest a complete renaming from Upper Stovesby; it's too distant from the centre)

The point (basically) is that 'Upper Stovesby' was a generic name chosen for the area by the PWC when it was incorporated pretty recently. No one in the area uses it...
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St. John's (I presume you already had a reason for this, otherwise Stovesby Town)

I quite like naming wards after churches and this one includes the Cathedral.

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(this area could do with another ward, but no one area could justify it. Guess that's where the gameplay comes in...)

Yep. The central districts are heavily over-represented at the start of the game. Ward boundaries will change in a few years anyway (which will cause 'fun' in the game as it means all-out elections...)
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« Reply #119 on: January 25, 2010, 07:41:42 am »

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« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2010, 07:58:15 am »
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Should I rename Lower Shaddyside (Shadd. Green) as Fretchitstown?
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« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2010, 08:19:42 am »

Hmmm... no. Fretchitstown is (um) just the (fairly small) area up against the boundary with the St Jude's district - it was chosen as the ward name because the boundary people liked the sound of it rather than because of accuracy.
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« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2010, 04:15:32 pm »



This is the political situation at the start of the game. As you can see, a sizeable Socialist majority but not an overwhelming one. The past three sets of local elections in the city have been pretty average... no party has done very well or very badly so the situation is close to the 'natural' one (for want of a better way of putting it).
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« Reply #123 on: January 28, 2010, 08:56:33 pm »



Stovesby in relation to nearby local authorities. Those shown are all the ones that might get swallowed up into the city at some point into the future - there is no chance of the city expanding beyond that point. A little explanation on the old local government system is needed... a County Borough was an independent local authority that ran all municipal services itself. Urban Districts and Rural Districts were subdivisions of the old County Councils and only ran some municipal services for themselves (the rest being run by the County Council). You mainly need to know this stuff because of housing policy, rather than because of local government reorganisation.

As for what the places are like... everything east of Saltforth is mining territory, Bormingsley RD is a rural area, Ketton UD is a small manufacturing town (textiles) and the rest are suburbs or commuting territory. Wedlock, Gormby and Prestsley are all middle class, Lenningsley is mixed, Morsby is very working class (1930s estates). Wedlock has an older core so has some working class areas, Gormby is very rich.

This adds two new aspects to the game... the first is additional 'fun' regarding housing policy (especially if our council believes in the suburban dream), the second is related to local government reform. Councillors in favour will want most of the area in the map included inside an expanded Stovesby, those against, obviously, don't.
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« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2010, 07:28:17 am »
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(In character)

Obviously given the clear communities of interest between Stovesby and other more developed municipalities in the Greater Stovesby Area, our city should be expanded to include Gormby, Prestsley, Wedlock, Lenningsley and Morsby. The other areas, being less urban, should not be included in the expansion of the City of Stovesby.
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