Gerrymandering

[Free Palestine]

Out of 435 Congressional districts, only 35 are competitive.  Certainly there are strongly conservative or liberal areas - Los Angeles for instance, but in many cases it just doesn't make sense, when a candidate gets sixty percent or more of the vote in every election.

[Alexander Hamilton]

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[Хahar 🤔]

Bad poll, but it's not as bad as it's made out to be.

[MaxQue]

As I am living in an almost-free of gerrymandering country, where districts are drew according to geographical, historical, cultural and community reasons, I hate gerrymandering.

[Franzl]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

[Lunar]

Who on earth has a positive opinion on the process of making 95% of U.S. representatives near invincible?

[Hash]

Awful. France has a time-preserved tradition of evil gerrymandering, though Canada doesn't although my own constituency is a bit weird sociologically, in that it includes the wealthiest parts and the poorest parts of the city.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

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who voted otherwise is either a retard or Tom DeLay

[Free Palestine]

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who voted otherwise is either a retard or Tom DeLay

Or a sheeple.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Actually you can still gerrymander with other electoral systems - it's just that it's much harder to get it to work.

[minionofmidas]

Take government's power to draw constituencies away.

[Free Palestine]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Finding another redistricting method would be better.

[Verily]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Actually you can still gerrymander with other electoral systems - it's just that it's much harder to get it to work.

And generally too risky to be worthwhile (the Tullymander).

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Horrible, horrible, & more horrible.

[muon2]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Finding another redistricting method would be better.

See for example the method proposed in OH in my signature.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Take government's power to draw constituencies away.

This.

Though, that would be hard for a power not to have a look in it, given that's...the power.

Some independent commissions could be set up, but ultimately, they would remain in the hand of the power. Though, in such a system, if the power touch to an independent commission the people would more easily and more strongly protest. Like if they touched to CNIL in France (concerns protection of personal data).

[Hash]

Some independent commissions could be set up, but ultimately, they would remain in the hand of the power. Though, in such a system, if the power touch to an independent commission the people would more easily and more strongly protest. Like if they touched to CNIL in France (concerns protection of personal data).

Sarko shoved a so-called 'independent' commish to give, more or less, a blank cheque to the Chief Gerrymanderer, that piece of crap Marleix. Headed by Yves Guena, a rightist, it only did something if the constituencies were really, really awful.

But people don't care about electoral constituencies as much as they care about something like CNIL since you have tons of people who don't vote, people who are party hacks and votes whichever ways their party tells them to and so forth.

[pogo stick]

HP. With a Capital H and a capital P

[Verily]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Finding another redistricting method would be better.

See for example the method proposed in OH in my signature.

Your map is just as gerrymandered as Texas or Illinois or Maryland. It's gerrymandered to promote a supposedly nonpartisan goal, but it's still a highly unnatural grouping of individuals and territory.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Some independent commissions could be set up, but ultimately, they would remain in the hand of the power. Though, in such a system, if the power touch to an independent commission the people would more easily and more strongly protest. Like if they touched to CNIL in France (concerns protection of personal data).

Sarko shoved a so-called 'independent' commish to give, more or less, a blank cheque to the Chief Gerrymanderer, that piece of crap Marleix. Headed by Yves Guena, a rightist, it only did something if the constituencies were really, really awful.

But people don't care about electoral constituencies as much as they care about something like CNIL since you have tons of people who don't vote, people who are party hacks and votes whichever ways their party tells them to and so forth.

Yes, we can't really say that Sarko's commish was an independent stuff. I spoke about something strong, and maybe with a permanent existence, or at least which gathers itself with regular terms, something belonging to the institutions maybe, in France could depend of Conseil Constitutionel for example, in order that the direct executive power hasn't much influence on it, or just something like the CNIL.

But, yes, ultimately, for it to exist, and to works, it has to be a fruit of the citizens, rare are the  powers which give limits to themselves...

[Hash]

The best solution is just to abolish FPTP pure and simple. FPTP is the worst thing invented by man after weapons.

[muon2]

Abolishing FPTP = best solution to prevent gerrymandering

Finding another redistricting method would be better.

See for example the method proposed in OH in my signature.

Your map is just as gerrymandered as Texas or Illinois or Maryland. It's gerrymandered to promote a supposedly nonpartisan goal, but it's still a highly unnatural grouping of individuals and territory.

I have to disagree. The current IL map has essentially no criteria other than the VRA and equal populations. Since there are no specified public goals in state law, the map makers can create rules based on partisan interest. A process that is based on public goals such as in the OH competition is what distinguishes it from a gerrymander.

Definitions of gerrymander involve creating a specific advantage for one party (or race in the case of a racial gerrymander). Here's dictionary.com:

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Gerrymandering typically involves packing and fracturing of a particular interest group such as a party or ethnic group to dilute their strength ina legislative body. Gerrymandering does not mean the creation of a district that might not suit an individual's taste for the shape or combination.

The key is creating specific definitions of terms like compactness, competitiveness, and communities of interest. When they are left undefined, a map maker can usually find a suitable definition after the fact. When they are defined before the process begins, they represent public policy, and work against maps that are gerrymanders in the true sense of the word.

[pogo stick]

No district should be more then D+5 or R+5

[Alexander Hamilton]

No district should be more then D+5 or R+5

That is gerrymandering.

[pogo stick]

No district should be more then D+5 or R+5

That is gerrymandering.

Fine. Then tell me how is it possible to make every district a toss up?