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« on: September 16, 2009, 07:30:18 pm »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

New York: Obama 64%-34%

Greater Los Angelas: Obama 64%-34%

Chicago: Obama 67%-32%

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Delaware Valley: Obama 64%-34%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%

South Florida: Obama 62%-37%

Washington: Obama 68%-31%

Atlanta: Obama 52%-47%

Greater Boston: Obama 62%-37%

Metro Detroit: Obama 62%-37%

San Francisco: Obama 76%-22%

Phoenix: McCain 55%-44%

Inland Empire: Obama 51%-47%

Seattle: Obama 65%-34%

Minneapolis-St. Paul: Obama 56%-42%

San Diego: Obama 54%-44%

Greater St. Louis: Obama 58%-41%

Tampa Bay: Obama 52%-47%

Baltimore: Obama 57%-41%

Denver: Obama 58%-41%

Greater Pittsburgh Obama 51%-48%

Portland: Obama 63%-35%

Greater Cincinatti: McCain 56%-43%

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 07:34:12 pm »
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Atlanta: Obama 52%-47%

Huh  Only 52%?
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 07:50:09 pm »
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Atlanta: Obama 52%-47%

Huh  Only 52%?

Take a look at Forsyth County, Cherokee County, Fayette County, Coweta County, etc. next time you have a chance. The Atlanta MSA is big; Atlanta is the archduke of sprawl.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 07:50:46 pm »
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Taking a look at Forsyth county is generally a mistake, I feel.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 07:52:40 pm »
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Taking a look at Forsyth county is generally a mistake, I feel.

Going to Forsyth County is definitely a mistake. I think you're safe observing it on a map.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 10:46:47 pm »
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Atlanta: Obama 52%-47%

Huh  Only 52%?

Many of the suburbs in the MSA are GOP bastions, although the counties are turning bluer, as more African Americans are moving to the suburbs.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2009, 01:35:33 pm »
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If you have time, could you do

- the Triangle in North Carolina
-Little Rock MSA
-St. Louis and Kansas City
-Tri-State area (Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky)

Thanks! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2009, 12:52:57 am »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2009, 01:20:31 am »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.

Travis County (Austin makes up about 3/4 of the population) was won by Obama 63.52-34.25
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2009, 01:35:29 am »
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Seattle is 4th, yay. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2009, 01:41:11 am »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



I am aware that Travis County went heavily Democratic, but is it large enough to offset much of Rural Texas, especially when you consider McCain got over 70% in pretty much every country in West Central Texas and Texas Panhandle and over 70% in most East Texas save a few with large African-American populations.

Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.

Travis County (Austin makes up about 3/4 of the population) was won by Obama 63.52-34.25
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2009, 08:39:05 am »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.

Not many people live in rural white Texas these days. Besides, the MSA's often include places like Montgomery county (75% McCain, and where our resident crazed Texan Fundamentalist, Jmfcst, lives).
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2009, 10:17:17 am »
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Memphis: Obama 57/43
Nashville (Joke MSA): McCain 55/45
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2009, 12:17:37 pm »
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Memphis: Obama 57/43
Nashville (Joke MSA): McCain 55/45

Do you know the racial demographics in the Nashville MSA?
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2009, 12:51:07 pm »
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Memphis: Obama 57/43
Nashville (Joke MSA): McCain 55/45

Do you know the racial demographics in the Nashville MSA?

Only about 16% black, which is less that every single county in our MSA. Memphis MSA is about 46% black, the highest of all million plus metros.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2009, 08:08:16 pm »
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Memphis: Obama 57/43
Nashville (Joke MSA): McCain 55/45

Do you know the racial demographics in the Nashville MSA?

Only about 16% black, which is less that every single county in our MSA. Memphis MSA is about 46% black, the highest of all million plus metros.

Did Kerry, Gore, or Clinton win the Nashville MSA.  It seems much of Middle Tennessee was fairly Democrat under Clinton and Gore, less so under Kerry, but he at least won a fair number of counties, while Obama did quite poorly outside of Nashville-Davidson.  Was this simply one of the last remnants of the Solid South or were there are other reasons.  I know the South use to go solidly Democrat, but after Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act in 1965, it gradually trended Republican although some areas faster than others.  Were these mostly Dixiecrats or Blue Dog Democrats as a lot of the Southern Democrats philosophically seem to have little in common with the Democrats today.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2009, 09:11:57 pm »
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NOTA. The central TN Democrats were TVA Democrats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority)
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2009, 09:48:50 pm »
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NOTA. The central TN Democrats were TVA Democrats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority)

The TVA was created back during the Great Depression, so how come it took so long for this area to swing to the Republicans?  Western Tennessee use to be Democrat back when they were Dixiecrats and many of the Southern Democrats favoured segregation, but today it is quite racially polarized like much of the Deep South.  Eastern Tennessee was always Republican, even during the Reconstruction era.  But Middle Tennessee until very recently tended to favour the Democrats.  Even Kerry won several rural counties in Middle Tennessee.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2009, 09:51:40 pm »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



I am aware that Travis County went heavily Democratic, but is it large enough to offset much of Rural Texas, especially when you consider McCain got over 70% in pretty much every country in West Central Texas and Texas Panhandle and over 70% in most East Texas save a few with large African-American populations.

Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.

Travis County (Austin makes up about 3/4 of the population) was won by Obama 63.52-34.25

As was stated much of rural Texas is sparsely populated.  Obama won Travis County by a little over 117,000 votes,  the largest vote advantage either candidate had in any county in the state.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2009, 10:47:20 pm »
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NOTA. The central TN Democrats were TVA Democrats. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority)

The TVA was created back during the Great Depression, so how come it took so long for this area to swing to the Republicans?  Western Tennessee use to be Democrat back when they were Dixiecrats and many of the Southern Democrats favoured segregation, but today it is quite racially polarized like much of the Deep South.  Eastern Tennessee was always Republican, even during the Reconstruction era.  But Middle Tennessee until very recently tended to favour the Democrats.  Even Kerry won several rural counties in Middle Tennessee.

Well, Gore was also from central Tennessee. That definitely helped in 1992-2000.

But you sort of answered your own question: There were specific reasons for western Tennessee to abandon the Democrats and embrace the Republicans (civil rights), while such reasons did not exist in central Tennessee, where racial tensions were weaker and Dixiecrat politics mostly nonexistent. Central Tennessee switched to the Republicans on social issues, but not on race. Rather, it found the charismatic religious appeal of the Republicans far stronger than decaying TVA ties to the Democrats. Plus, around the 1990s those who actually remembered the heyday of the TVA started dying.

It is also worth pointing out that even Obama won two rural counties in Central Tennessee (Jackson and Houston), both old TVA counties. The TVA counties stick out like a sore thumb on the 1988 Presidential map. Also, see the 1964 Presidential map to demonstrate the strength of Dixiecrat politics in western Tennessee against its weakness in central Tennessee. Wallace did do well in central Tennessee, though; not sure why.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2009, 11:16:01 pm »
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Results by Metropolitan Statistical area starting with the most populated:

Dallas/Fort Worth: McCain 55%-45%

Greater Houston: McCain 54%-46%



I am aware that Travis County went heavily Democratic, but is it large enough to offset much of Rural Texas, especially when you consider McCain got over 70% in pretty much every country in West Central Texas and Texas Panhandle and over 70% in most East Texas save a few with large African-American populations.

Although the numbers seems reasonable, how the heck did the statewide results come out to 55% McCain and 44% Obama when aside from the Hispanic South, McCain won most of rural Texas by a landslide, in most cases over 70% and in many cases over 80%.

Travis County (Austin makes up about 3/4 of the population) was won by Obama 63.52-34.25

As was stated much of rural Texas is sparsely populated.  Obama won Travis County by a little over 117,000 votes,  the largest vote advantage either candidate had in any county in the state.

Obama also won Bejar county, meaning that he won San Antonio. He almost definitely won the El Paso MSA too.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 05:53:23 am »
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Memphis: Obama 57/43
Nashville (Joke MSA): McCain 55/45

Do you know the racial demographics in the Nashville MSA?

Only about 16% black, which is less that every single county in our MSA. Memphis MSA is about 46% black, the highest of all million plus metros.

Did Kerry, Gore, or Clinton win the Nashville MSA. 
Gore was the last Dem to win Nashville MSA. Clinton also won it both times but all of these were close.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 04:32:24 pm »
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Sacramento Obama: 55%-43%

Greater Cleveland: Obama 62%-37% (Note: this MSA alone gave Obama his victory margin in Ohio)

Greater Orlando: Obama 54%-45%

Greater San Antonio: McCain 52%-47%

Kansas City: Obama 52%-47%

Las Vegas: Obama 58%-39%
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 06:58:08 pm »
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San Francisco and San Jose are Joke MSAs.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 08:15:20 pm »
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Sacramento Obama: 55%-43%

Greater Cleveland: Obama 62%-37% (Note: this MSA alone gave Obama his victory margin in Ohio)

Greater Orlando: Obama 54%-45%

Greater San Antonio: McCain 52%-47%

Kansas City: Obama 52%-47%

Las Vegas: Obama 58%-39%

I don't think any Democrat has won Ohio minus Cleveland MSA since Lyndon Johnson in 1964.  In fact I was surprised that even if you took Cuyahoga County, Obama would have narrowly won Ohio.  That being said, both Gore and Kerry would have probably won Ohio if you took the Cincinnati MSA out so both sort of cancel each other out.  Now true most of Western, Central, Southern Ohio, and Columbus Suburbs also tend to go Republican, however the Democrats usually win the blue collar cities in the Northeastern part (i.e. Youngstown, Warren etc.), Toledo, as well as are generally competitive in the areas along Lake Erie.

I would also argue the Orlando MSA is pretty key since I believe whomever carries the I4 corridor (which includes both the Orlando and Tampa MSA) usually carries Florida.  In many ways Orlando is sort of at the cultural dividing point between Northern Florida which is very much your Deep South type in terms of values and Southern Florida which is more liberal and moderate and quite distinct in its values from the rest of the South.
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