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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2009, 08:43:35 AM »
Nope

He was rather the first neoconservative president
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2009, 08:47:15 AM »
lolno

Not by any definition of the term.

Quote from: Kalwejt on September 20, 2009, 08:43:35 AM
He was rather the first neoconservative president

Had no idea that Reagan was a Marxist heretic.
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2009, 11:02:01 AM »
Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on September 20, 2009, 08:47:15 AM

Had no idea that Reagan was a Marxist heretic.

Not everyone who carried out neoconservative policies was a Marxist heretic Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2009, 11:16:17 AM »
Reagan was not a pure blooded libertarian, but then again no one is in most people's eyes.  He certainly espoused many libertarian beliefs though
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2009, 12:04:13 PM »
Quote from: DownWithTheLeft on September 20, 2009, 11:16:17 AM
Reagan was not a pure blooded libertarian, but then again no one is in most people's eyes.  He certainly espoused many libertarian beliefs though

And didn't exactly act on them. In favor of big business is not libertarian, simply conservative. His spending was obviously not libertarian.
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2009, 12:34:38 PM »
Our friend Mechman is uncharacteristically stretching to suggest even in the least that Reagan was or claimed to be libertarian.

Unless you believe a Reagan Conservative is a libertarian leaning conservative.
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2009, 12:59:17 PM »
Quote from: Grumpy Gramps on September 20, 2009, 12:34:38 PM
Our friend Mechman is uncharacteristically stretching to suggest even in the least that Reagan was or claimed to be libertarian.

Unless you believe a Reagan Conservative is a libertarian leaning conservative.

I'm sorry, I'm not suggesting at all that Ronald Reagan is a libertarian. I have however heard quite a few people refer to him as such. I will admit I might've distorted what he himself has said, after all he never directly called himself a libertarian but he did say that libertarianism was at the heart of American conservatism. I made this thread because I keep on hearing this rumor (not on this forum) that Ronald Reagan was in fact a libertarian. This thread exists because I've had it with the "Reagan is a libertarian" bull and I felt like voicing it in a thread.

In other words a bitchfest.
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2009, 01:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Mechman on September 20, 2009, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Grumpy Gramps on September 20, 2009, 12:34:38 PM
Our friend Mechman is uncharacteristically stretching to suggest even in the least that Reagan was or claimed to be libertarian.

Unless you believe a Reagan Conservative is a libertarian leaning conservative.

I'm sorry, I'm not suggesting at all that Ronald Reagan is a libertarian. I have however heard quite a few people refer to him as such. I will admit I might've distorted what he himself has said, after all he never directly called himself a libertarian but he did say that libertarianism was at the heart of American conservatism. I made this thread because I keep on hearing this rumor (not on this forum) that Ronald Reagan was in fact a libertarian. This thread exists because I've had it with the "Reagan is a libertarian" bull and I felt like voicing it in a thread.

In other words a bitchfest.

Well, my friend, I hear ya.....just ignore those assholes on other forums.......no one here really believes he is, because he wasn't......and Reagan didn't believe he was either Wink
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2009, 03:30:45 PM »
No way in hell. Not even close. Perhaps only Cleveland has a shout of being called a libertarian, maybe... and only in the American usage, maybe... (The Founding Fathers? lol no.)
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2009, 04:17:07 PM »
No, obviously not, but it is interesting that libertarians are in practice Ronald Reagan (by that I mean fascists).
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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2009, 05:24:51 PM »
Quote from: Kalwejt on September 20, 2009, 08:43:35 AM
Nope

He was rather the first neoconservative president

Actually, no. Wait.... yes. But the United States has had MANY, MANY, interventionist presidents.
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2009, 05:26:08 PM »
Reagan wasn't really a neocon, either.
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« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2009, 08:03:31 AM »
Quote from: NiK for the Pacific on September 19, 2009, 10:26:32 PM
Lol No. The United States has never had a "true" libertarian president. We've Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative presidents, however, but a combination of those two does not equal libertarianism.

Just curious, NiK: Which presidents would you put in that catagory? Ike? Ford maybe?
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2009, 11:38:57 AM »
Reagan was not a libertarian. He was pro-life and anti-gay marriage (not libertarian positions) and he also supported the Federal Reserve, which libertarians oppose.
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2009, 12:41:38 PM »
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 11:38:57 AM
Reagan was not a libertarian. He was pro-life
No he wasn't.
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM »

Reagan was pro-choice as Governor of California, but pro-life as President.
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2009, 03:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM

Reagan was pro-choice as Governor of California, but pro-life as President.

On abortion, yes.
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2009, 03:43:15 PM »
No. He wasn't a neocon either.
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2009, 03:44:14 PM »
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM

Reagan was pro-choice as Governor of California, but pro-life as President.

No, he wasn't. He was consistently pro-death throughout his political career.
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2009, 03:46:33 PM »
Quote from: ZombieLibertas on December 20, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM

Reagan was pro-choice as Governor of California, but pro-life as President.

No, he wasn't. He was consistently pro-death throughout his political career.

Prove it. All the quotes from Ronald Reagan throughout his Presidency indicated a strong opposition to abortion. In fact, it was Reagan who nominated such staunch anti-abortion justices like Antonin Scalia and William Rehnquist.
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2009, 03:50:44 PM »
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: ZombieLibertas on December 20, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: Rochambeau on December 20, 2009, 01:19:29 PM

Reagan was pro-choice as Governor of California, but pro-life as President.

No, he wasn't. He was consistently pro-death throughout his political career.

Prove it. All the quotes from Ronald Reagan throughout his Presidency indicated a strong opposition to abortion. In fact, it was Reagan who nominated such staunch anti-abortion justices like Antonin Scalia and William Rehnquist.

I don't care about his rhetoric and political showmanship. Abortion policy remained unchanged, while militarism and a total lack of respect for human life around the world became hallmarks of the Reagan regime.
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2009, 04:17:58 PM »
Quote from: ZombieLibertas on December 20, 2009, 03:50:44 PM
I don't care about his rhetoric and political showmanship. Abortion policy remained unchanged, while militarism and a total lack of respect for human life around the world became hallmarks of the Reagan regime.

Still not in conflict with being pro-life.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2009, 09:45:58 PM »
Quote from: Earth on December 20, 2009, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: ZombieLibertas on December 20, 2009, 03:50:44 PM
I don't care about his rhetoric and political showmanship. Abortion policy remained unchanged, while militarism and a total lack of respect for human life around the world became hallmarks of the Reagan regime.

Still not in conflict with being pro-life.

Uh, yeah, allowing pro-death policies tends to conflict with any claim of being "pro-life."
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2009, 09:49:00 PM »
He was the closest thing to a libertarian since Coolidge. Relative to Nixon and GWB, he is libertarian Wink
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2009, 09:50:32 PM »
Quote from: Governor Vepres on December 20, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
He was the closest thing to a libertarian since Coolidge. Relative to Nixon and GWB, he is libertarian Wink
Not really, no. Reagan may have been different from Nixon and GWB, but he wasn't any closer to libertarianism.
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