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« on: September 22, 2009, 06:48:51 PM »
« edited: September 26, 2009, 08:19:45 PM by Senator MasterJedi, PPT »
Amendment to the OSPR Regarding Parliamentary Behavior

Article 8; Senate Behavior is hereby added to the OSPR and subsequent sections re-numbered accordingly.

Article 8: Senate Behaviour is to read as follows:

Improper behaviour and the use of unparliamentary language by Senators is hereby forbidden in all Senate debates and votes.

Section 1: Improper Behavior

1. Improper behavior is defined as personal attacks on other Senators, blatantly false accusations, and lewd conduct.
2. Improper behavior during legislative debate in the Senate shall result in suspension from that chamber at the PPT's request.
3. The conditions of the suspension shall be determined at the PPT's discretion.
4. Following the PPT's decision on the matter, atleast three other Senators must then sign a certification of suspension from the chamber.

Section 2: Unparliamentary language

1. The words 'liar', 'asshole', 'jerk', 'pig', 'swine', 'coward' and 'traitor' are hereby considered to be unparliamentary language and shall not be used in any Senate debates and votes.
2. Use of the aforementioned words by a Senator shall result in a reminder of parliamentary etiquette by the PPT.
3. Further breaches of the terms in this Section by a Senator shall result in consequences to be determined by the PPT at such time.
4. Additional words can be added or words can be removed from the above list at any time by any Senator.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 06:49:53 PM »
Section 2, Clause 4 is dodgy. Any Senator can remove words? Doesn't that eliminate the section's effectiveness?
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 07:04:20 PM »
Agreeing with Xahar, that gives a little bit too much power to the Senators. Maybe change it to the President, instead? That would be better, IMO...

I propse an amendment...

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 07:08:28 PM »
IMO, better to let the Senate amend it with another resolution if the time comes.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 07:16:25 PM »
Or we could just not adopt this amendment at all.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 07:17:43 PM »
Friendly amendment offered to remove Section 2, Clause 4.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 09:50:43 PM »
Does this not consolidate an incredible amount of power in the PPT? What if the PPT decides that according t §2.3 he can suspend membership to the Senate at will?
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 10:37:40 PM »
I'm sorry but there is just no scenario at all that would lead me to support this. Section 1 is kind of tolerable, but Section 2 is absurd. We're seriously restricting certain words? Seriously?
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2009, 10:52:04 PM »
Quote from: Senator Marokai Blue on September 22, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
I'm sorry but there is just no scenario at all that would lead me to support this. Section 1 is kind of tolerable, but Section 2 is absurd. We're seriously restricting certain words? Seriously?

All legislatures do, as far as I know.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2009, 10:52:47 PM »

The fact that we don't do that is one of our better features. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 05:54:27 AM »
I oppose restricting free speech. This will be getting a big NAY from me.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 06:53:04 AM »
I can't see myself supporting this proposal in any form.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 01:59:57 PM »
Quote from: Wyatt Chеsney on September 22, 2009, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Senator Marokai Blue on September 22, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
I'm sorry but there is just no scenario at all that would lead me to support this. Section 1 is kind of tolerable, but Section 2 is absurd. We're seriously restricting certain words? Seriously?

All legislatures do, as far as I know.

Yes, but that is ridiculous sometimes. Windvane is forbidden in Quebec legislature.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 02:02:17 PM »
I oppose the existence of a precise list of forbidden words, but I will support than the PPT takes action if a member is clearly and violently offensive, if the VP is agreeing with him.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 05:24:54 PM »
Surely the point of having a list of Banned Words is for it to be absurd.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 09:16:26 PM »
As previously stated I have grievenaces with many sections of this. I don't like the idea of "suspension" from the Senate. This could be easily politicised and used to remove certain Senators from a vote.

Finally I don't see a justificaiton for a "list of banned words". I recall no outbursts where this would be justified as a proper preventative measure.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 09:24:44 PM »
Isn't it traditional in the US to let congressmen say whatever they want on the floor without "official" consequences? If so, Atlasia should be the same.
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 11:32:50 PM »
Quote from: Midwest Governor Vepres on September 23, 2009, 09:24:44 PM
Isn't it traditional in the US to let congressmen say whatever they want on the floor without "official" consequences? If so, Atlasia should be the same.

No, there are certain banned words (IIRC).
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 12:18:19 AM »
Nay

oh, we're not voting yet?

This bill is unacceptable in any form, and frankly not really needed.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 08:33:29 AM »
I hereby open up a final vote on this resolution. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2009, 08:35:11 AM »
Nay
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »
NAY....swine, assholes, liars, cowards!
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2009, 08:52:21 AM »
Nay, and I like Rowan's colorful way of saying it. Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2009, 12:33:52 PM »
Screw it. Just an idea I had.

Aye.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2009, 12:43:09 PM »
Nay
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