German Election Results Thread

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What's behind the high Green vote in that one area? I seem to remember you saying that it's the site of the old works, so presumably new build of some kind. Is there student housing there?

[minionofmidas]

Ah lol, no. That it includes (a lot of) the old works is merely the reason why the precinct's surface is that big. The population is east of that. It's part of the old urban core of Höchst. Not quite sure why the Green tally was slightly higher than in the other two precincts there.

The works are not torn down or anything. They're not even vacant (if somewhat underemployed). A lot of the production that used to be there when Hoechst was a living, vibrant, rooted company is still there... perfect proof that "shareholder values" can destroy a community even without actually throwing everybody on the street.

[minionofmidas]

To be quite fair, the times when Hoechst workers all lived in Höchst or Zeilsheim or Sindlingen were long past even before.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Same thing happened to Longbridge about two decades before the gross mismanagement of it's 'saviors' finally killed (most of) the remains of it. Slightly different circumstances and a different industry, though.

[minionofmidas]

So... now that two-thirds of the city are up anyways... might as well continue.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ortsbezirk 7. In certain parts... wtf?

[minionofmidas]

Ortsbezirk 7. In certain parts... wtf?

It isn't immediately obvious due to the colour scheme, but the Left won Old Rödelheim (Greens second I think). On a little over 20% of the vote - it wasn't actually their strongest precinct - but, yeah. Also, the Westhausen Estate precincts (two northernmost SPD precincts) look weird without a road grid. Late 20s/Early 30s built, as is the Praunheim Estate just north of it, but with smaller houses. The SPD precinct in southeastern Hausen has some slummy highrises bordering directly on open land. While South Praunheim (south from old Praunheim, and across the Nidda River too. Actually the easternmost part of Praunheim) looks and feels affluent suburban (and butt-ugly) despite its almost-inner-city location. Privately built late 60s/70s infill.

What else is wtf?

[minionofmidas]

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedlung_Praunheim

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedlung_Westhausen

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Nothing else; that was the wtf bit.

[minionofmidas]

Nothing else; that was the wtf bit.

Actually, I haven't even mentioned the part that looks most wtf (beyond that Left precinct) from the POV of someone who knows the area reasonably well... which is the FDP distribution. I would have expected stronger results on the other side of the railroad tracks, and in South Praunheim (although geriatry may explain that one)... even though I know most of those two precincts east of Rödelheim station (which is at the point where four precincts meet) are more affluent than the road that divides them (and that would fit right into the Left-won precinct east of it.) Especially right by the Nidda.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ortsbezirk 8.

[minionofmidas]

Heddernheim proper to the east, interwar Römerstadt to the south, 90s/2000s built Mertonviertel on the former copperworks grounds to the northeast, the huge 60s/70s Nordweststadt dominant in the west and center. Niederursel proper in the north, not that it's particularly large.

[minionofmidas]

The area had a ridiculous number of precincts abolished in '09, and it obscures a lot of patterns. Besides, I know the area well, mostly, but I don't have an answer to the obvious question, ie why are some Nordweststadt tower block areas more socialdemocratic than others?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ortsbezirk 9.

Two questions. What makes the strong SPD precinct out on its lonesome different from the rest of that general area, well, naturally you have to say something about the precinct that voted SPD 30, Left 26, Green 17, CDU 12, FDP 7.

[minionofmidas]

Ortsbezirk 9.

Two questions. What makes the strong SPD precinct out on its lonesome different from the rest of that general area,

Er... not sure actually. And I've walked the area to find out.
It's an undersized precinct IIRC. And 2009's SPD tally was a few points higher than you'd expect from earlier years... but that gain is mostly at the Greens' expense. Which answers absolutely nothing.

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I've mentioned them before. The former US army housings (not barracks - apartments for soldiers and their families) turned into social housing in the mid-90s. Which means poor people, an ethnically mixed (ie highered migrant share but majority German) population, and absolutely no olds. Heck, a Frankfurt "Siedlung" with non-negligible numbers of pure German children.
Over half of the two precincts to the north is also former US army housings, and there are a few more smaller such areas elsewhere. But this is the only precinct to consist wholly of them. What's more, there's the issue of the road grid: You'll notice there's exactly four ways in and out of the precinct (and one a darkened underpass at that), while the housings further to the north are more integrated into surrounding architecture.

This one's a large precinct. With low but not quite comedic turnout. And the lowest share of mail-in ballots in the city.

[minionofmidas]

Re 8...



Couple of minor mistakes (a few Nordi blocks shown outside the dotted line, terrain west of Praunheinmer Weg wrongly shown as in Praunheim rather than Niederursel), but shows a lot. Römerstadt showing very well.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, yes. I remember you mentioning it now

So the other one is just one of those weird little electoral quirks?

[minionofmidas]

Ah, yes. I remember you mentioning it now

So the other one is just one of those weird little electoral quirks?

Probably, yeah.

A lot of the eastern Dornbusch (not all of it) could/"should" be voting somewhat more leftwing than it does. Would be doing so in Britain, I suppose. Old people. Stable neighborhoods with small but comfortable 50s/early 60s built flats. This precinct votes like what it looks like.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ortsbezirk 10.

This is estates and suburbs, presumably? Some new-ish. That's what the patterns remind me of, anyway.

[minionofmidas]

This is estates and suburbs. The new bits very new.

That northeast Frankfurter Berg precinct consists of just nine buildings: http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=de&q=Frankfurter+Berg&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Frankfurter+Berg+Frankfurt+am+Main,+Hessen&ll=50.168542,8.681645&spn=0.004041,0.013078&t=h&z=17
(Also, note the construction just south of it. Built by now.)

Ooh, the Frankfurter Bogen (East Preungesheim) is also shown as not yet built in google earth: http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=de&q=Frankfurter+Berg&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Frankfurter+Berg+Frankfurt+am+Main,+Hessen&ll=50.154494,8.699563&spn=0.008084,0.026157&t=h&z=16
But it's there in streetview!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, so the usual (ish) pattern of smaller parties getting high percentages in smaller divisions.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Because it's the New Year:



Naturally the one set that's lines don't fit is the one done the other day. Oh well.

[minionofmidas]

Oh. Right. The 10th. Lol. That's why it looked so strange. I mean, besides the 11th.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The various smaller ones that cover the northern suburbs (inside the city).

[minionofmidas]

One hellhole covered is not like the other hellholes.