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« Reply #5600 on: February 29, 2012, 06:37:52 pm »
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To be fair,  only me, you and Wormy have prior Assembly experience.
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« Reply #5601 on: February 29, 2012, 09:50:32 pm »
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I've been following, but until now I haven't had anything useful to share. (And I haven't been able to figure out what SOAP is.) Here are my thoughts so far:

1. Devoting a thread to each piece of legislation will be easiest to follow. Aggregating them by "track" will quickly become confusing.

2. Section 3, Subsection B seems needlessly complicated and time-consuming. I would prefer to continue voting on amendments when debate is over.

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« Reply #5602 on: February 29, 2012, 10:37:48 pm »
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Do we need another extension?
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« Reply #5603 on: February 29, 2012, 11:37:23 pm »
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Sorry, I have been engrossed in Mitt's campaign, but now that Arizona and Michigan have voted, way to go Mitt Smiley, I will try to pay more attention to Assembly affairs.

I agree with the proposal for the most part, but I don't know that a separate thread for each piece of legislation is warranted.  Myself, I would be content to deal with the legislation, piece by piece, in the Assembly thread.
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« Reply #5604 on: March 01, 2012, 04:36:05 am »
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Requesting and granting a final 48 hour extension.
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« Reply #5605 on: March 02, 2012, 06:44:56 pm »
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We're nearing the end of debate time here.  What is going to be friendly, and what do we need to vote on?

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E. A final vote on the proposed legislation shall take place after the Speaker certifies the vote on any proposed amendments (or, if there are no such amendments, at the end of the debate period). Except as otherwise provided in subsection g, such votes shall be open for twenty-four (24) hours , or until all Representatives have voted, if earlier. A piece of proposed legislation shall pass if a majority of Representatives vote in favor of it (with abstentions and absences not counted as votes)

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Except as otherwise provided in subsection (h) (G), all proposed legislation shall be open for debate for no less than seventy-two (72) hours after the Speaker places it in a Legislative Slot.

3.  Not a formally proposed amendment, but a topic of discussion.

2. Section 3, Subsection B seems needlessly complicated and time-consuming. I would prefer to continue voting on amendments when debate is over.

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The Speaker shall have the authority to extend or shorten the debating period or voting period upon the written request of any Representative.  No extension shall exceed 48 hours, and no shortening shall exceed 12 hours. 

Or..

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The Speaker shall have the authority to extend or shorten the debating period or voting period upon the written request of any Representative.  Total debate time can never exceed 120 hours, and never be less than 36 hours. 
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« Reply #5606 on: March 03, 2012, 11:47:45 am »
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The Speaker shall have the authority to extend or shorten the debating period or voting period upon the written request of any Representative.  No extension shall exceed 48 hours, and no shortening shall exceed 12 hours. 

This is..withdrawn.
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« Reply #5607 on: March 03, 2012, 11:57:16 am »
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Debate time is expired.  We will now vote on the following amendments.  Please vote Aye, Nay, or abstain for each one.  This vote will last 24 hours, or until all members have voted.


1.  An amendment to Section 3, subsection G;

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The Speaker shall have the authority to extend or shorten the debating period or voting period upon the written request of any Representative.  Total debate time can never exceed 120 hours, and never be less than 36 hours. 

2.  An amendment to Section 3, subsection e

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E. A final vote on the proposed legislation shall take place after the Speaker certifies the vote on any proposed amendments (or, if there are no such amendments, at the end of the debate period). Except as otherwise provided in subsection g, such votes shall be open for twenty-four (24) hours , or until all Representatives have voted, if earlier. A piece of proposed legislation shall pass if a majority of Representatives vote in favor of it (with abstentions and absences not counted as votes).

3.  An amendment to Section 3, subsection a
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« Reply #5608 on: March 03, 2012, 11:57:40 am »
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« Reply #5609 on: March 03, 2012, 12:35:52 pm »
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Aye to all amendments
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« Reply #5610 on: March 03, 2012, 04:27:23 pm »
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Aye to all three three amendments.
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« Reply #5611 on: March 04, 2012, 06:01:44 pm »
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All amendments have passed and will be incorporated.  The Assembly will now vote on the final text.  This vote will last 24 hours, or until all members have voted.



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1. Proposed Legislation Thread
A. The Lt. Governor shall open a new Northeast Assembly Proposed Legislation Thread at the start of each Northeast Assembly session.
B. Representatives, the Governor and any concerned Northeast citizen shall post the full text of any proposed legislation in a response to the Northeast Assembly Proposed Legislation Thread for the current session. Each response shall contain only one piece of proposed legislation.
C. Nothing shall be posted to the Northeast Assembly proposed legislation thread except proposed legislation or a Northeast citizen's signature for proposed citizen legislation.

2. Movement of Legislation to the Northeast Assembly Floor
A. Three bills shall be allowed on the floor concurrently, to be referred to as Legislative Slots.
   Legislative Slot 1: Priority shall be given to the People. Legislation proposed by concerned Northeast citizens shall be placed in this slot. If there is no new legislation proposed by concerned Northeast citizens in the Northeast Assembly Proposed Legislation Thread, the Speaker shall place the earliest introduced legislation in this slot.
Legislative Slot 2: Priority shall be given to the Speaker. Legislation shall be placed in this slot at the Speakerís discretion. Proposed legislation must be placed in this slot if it is open.
Legislative Slot 3: Priority shall be given to the Governor. Legislation proposed by the Governor shall be placed in this slot. If there is no new legislation proposed by the Governor in the Northeast Assembly Proposed Legislation Thread, the Speaker shall place the earliest introduced legislation in this slot.
B. Each piece of legislation on the floor shall receive its own thread.
   Threads shall be titled as follows: NE1: Name of bill, where 1 is substituted to designate the Legislative Slot the bill occupies and the Name of bill shall be the Title of the Bill given by its sponsor in the Northeast Assembly Proposed Legislation Thread. Each thread shall remain open until the Bill either (a) becomes law via the Governorís signature, lack of Gubernatorial action, or veto override or (b) fails to receive majority support from Representatives.

3. Legislative Debates and Voting
A. Except as otherwise provided in subsection (G), all proposed legislation shall be open for debate for no less than seventy-two (72) hours after the Speaker places it in a Legislative Slot.
B. During debate, Representatives may suggest amendments to proposed legislation. If the sponsor of the proposed legislation publicly deems the amendment friendly, no vote on the amendment shall be required. If the sponsor of the proposed legislation does not publicly deem the amendment friendly, a vote on the amendment shall be taken twenty-four (24) hours after being proposed unless there is less than twenty-four (24) hours of debate remaining on the bill. If there is less than twenty-four (24) hours of debate remaining on the bill, a vote on the amendment shall be taken before proceeding to a final vote on the bill. Such vote shall be open for twenty-four (24) hours, or until all Representatives have voted, if earlier. An amendment shall pass if a majority of Representatives vote in favor of it (with abstentions and absences not counted as votes).
C. The sponsor of a proposed amendment may remove it from the Assembly floor by tabling it at any time before a vote on the amendment is started.
D. The sponsor of a piece of proposed legislation may remove it from the Assembly floor by tabling it at any time before a final vote is taken on the proposed legislation.
E. A final vote on the proposed legislation shall take place after the Speaker certifies the vote on any proposed amendments (or, if there are no such amendments, at the end of the debate period). Except as otherwise provided in subsection g, such votes shall be open for twenty-four (24) hours , or until all Representatives have voted, if earlier. A piece of proposed legislation shall pass if a majority of Representatives vote in favor of it (with abstentions and absences not counted as votes).
F. The Speaker shall certify the results of any vote within twenty-four (24) hours of the end of the voting period.
G. The Speaker shall have the authority to extend or shorten the debating period or voting period upon the written request of any Representative.  Total debate time can never exceed 120 hours, and never be less than 36 hours. 

4. Terminology
A. All legislation regarding the rules of the Northeast Assembly shall be called Standing Orders.
B. All proposed legislation that requires the signature of the Governor shall be called a Bill until signed and thereafter an Act.

5. Miscellaneous
A Northeast Assembly Protest and Analysis Thread shall be created and made open to Northeast citizens for the discussion of legislative proposals, debates, votes, and all other matters that relate to the Northeast government.
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« Reply #5612 on: March 04, 2012, 06:34:23 pm »
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Nay.

The increasing partisanization of the role of Speaker and the marginalization of the assembly in favor of the executive are not trends that ought to be encouraged.
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« Reply #5613 on: March 04, 2012, 07:00:24 pm »
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« Reply #5614 on: March 04, 2012, 07:06:36 pm »
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Nay.

The increasing partisanization of the role of Speaker and the marginalization of the assembly in favor of the executive are not trends that ought to be encouraged.

Please explain how the Assembly is being marginalized in favor of the executive.
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« Reply #5615 on: March 04, 2012, 08:31:20 pm »
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Nay.

The increasing partisanization of the role of Speaker and the marginalization of the assembly in favor of the executive are not trends that ought to be encouraged.

Please explain how the Assembly is being marginalized in favor of the executive.

Giving governor-introduced legislation (a bad idea in and of itself) priority over assembly-introduced legislation.
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« Reply #5616 on: March 04, 2012, 09:33:10 pm »
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Nay.

The increasing partisanization of the role of Speaker and the marginalization of the assembly in favor of the executive are not trends that ought to be encouraged.

Please explain how the Assembly is being marginalized in favor of the executive.

Giving governor-introduced legislation (a bad idea in and of itself) priority over assembly-introduced legislation.

Governors have always been able to introduce legislation. Dedicating one of three slots to that purpose has no net negative effect on the Assembly's ability to pass legislation. I even reduced gubernatorial power by removing the executive from the amendment process.
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« Reply #5617 on: March 04, 2012, 09:39:53 pm »
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Nay.

The increasing partisanization of the role of Speaker and the marginalization of the assembly in favor of the executive are not trends that ought to be encouraged.

Please explain how the Assembly is being marginalized in favor of the executive.

Giving governor-introduced legislation (a bad idea in and of itself) priority over assembly-introduced legislation.

Governors have always been able to introduce legislation. Dedicating one of three slots to that purpose has no net negative effect on the Assembly's ability to pass legislation. I even reduced gubernatorial power by removing the executive from the amendment process.

Governors have not always been able to introduce legislation, under the old constitution the governor needed an assembly member to sponsor legislation for it to be considered.  This bill would mean that all gubernatorial legislation is considered immediately while assembly legislation is only considered in the order that the speaker decides and at his discretion.  I don't see what making the Assembly into essentially a rubber-stamp institution accomplishes.
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« Reply #5618 on: March 05, 2012, 02:14:20 am »
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You should check out the Old Constitution because you have been misinformed. This does not interfere with Assembly-introduced legislation relative to the status quo. I don't understand where you are coming from with your rubber stamp claim.
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« Reply #5619 on: March 05, 2012, 09:41:47 am »
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You should check out the Old Constitution because you have been misinformed. This does not interfere with Assembly-introduced legislation relative to the status quo. I don't understand where you are coming from with your rubber stamp claim.

I would check out the old constitution, if it hadn't been mysteriously deleted from the Wiki, although I would challenge you to provide a single example of legislation the governor introduced into the assembly that was not sponsored by an assemblyman on the governor's behalf (hint: you may spend a while looking).  Making the governor into a super-legislator who can not only propose legislation but give it precedence over all assembly-introduced legislation, and giving the Speaker the power to choose when and even if legislation is considered, gives those two offices complete control of the region.  In effect, it changes the Assembly into the Politburo - rather than a legislature that proposes laws, instead the executive proposes laws and then the assembly chooses whether to "veto" them (an ass-backwards and extremely authoritarian setup, hence why it was used in the Soviet government), and rather than an assembly that hears all points of view, it is restricted to the narrow interests of the Speaker, who can (and often will be) be elected with a majority of one.
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« Reply #5620 on: March 05, 2012, 11:04:57 am »
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Aye

I'm so glad these concerns were brought to light during our 5 days of debate.
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« Reply #5621 on: March 05, 2012, 11:09:37 am »
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Unfortunately, I have to put 20-page papers I have to write ahead of assembly debates, important as they may be.
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« Reply #5622 on: March 05, 2012, 11:17:56 am »
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Unfortunately, I have to put 20-page papers I have to write ahead of assembly debates, important as they may be.

Absolutely right, but somehow you rarely have anything to say until debate is over.
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« Reply #5623 on: March 05, 2012, 11:31:15 am »
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As opposed to certain individuals who never say anything at all?  Don't throw stones in glass houses.  If that's seriously the reason why you are voting for this despicable legislation that literally makes the Northeast a dictatorship, I have zero respect for you.
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« Reply #5624 on: March 05, 2012, 12:24:48 pm »
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As opposed to certain individuals who never say anything at all?  Don't throw stones in glass houses.  If that's seriously the reason why you are voting for this despicable legislation that literally makes the Northeast a dictatorship, I have zero respect for you.

It has nothing to do with why I'm voting for this, actually.  And I assure you, I haven't ignored those who never say anything at all, and I think you know that.  This bill doesn't make the Northeast a "dictatorship", but beyond that, what respect you have for me or not doesn't matter in the least. 
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