HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

How does God and hate end up in the same sentence?

because God put them in them in the same sentenceL

Psa 45:7 'You love righteousness and hate wickedness"

Pro 6:16 "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:..."

Dt 12:31 "they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates"

Dt 16:22 "for these the LORD your God hates"

Psa 5:5 "The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong"

Psa 11:5 "The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates."

Mal 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,"

Rom 9:13 "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

Heb 1:9 "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness"

Rev 2:6 "But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

But does God hate?

obviously, for all those verses were talking about God.  were you thinking he was simply going to pour out his wrath in "love"?

[Dr. Cynic]

How does God and hate end up in the same sentence?

because God put them in them in the same sentenceL

Psa 45:7 'You love righteousness and hate wickedness"

Pro 6:16 "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:..."

Dt 12:31 "they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates"

Dt 16:22 "for these the LORD your God hates"

Psa 5:5 "The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong"

Psa 11:5 "The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates."

Mal 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,"

Rom 9:13 "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

Heb 1:9 "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness"

Rev 2:6 "But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

But does God hate?

obviously, for all those verses were talking about God.  were you thinking he was simply going to pour out his wrath in "love"?

God pretty much spent the old testement on his menstrul cycle.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

God pretty much spent the old testement on his menstrul cycle.

Romans, Hebrews, and Revelation aren't in the Old Testament.

[Dr. Cynic]

God pretty much spent the old testement on his menstrul cycle.

Romans, Hebrews, and Revelation aren't in the Old Testament.

I was commenting on the general change of a vengeful god in the old testament to a loving god in the new testament. Do you deny this perception?

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

The only thing God hates is sin. Yes, he loves Satan.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

I was commenting on the general change of a vengeful god in the old testament to a loving god in the new testament. Do you deny this perception?

i deny your perception of change

Heb 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

The way I look at it is this...

The God of the Old Testament is about control and adherence, so it's a vengeful, angry God, very much something to be feared... BUT The New Testament is about the establishment of the new church, so it's a God of conversion, so God (and also through his much more pleasant representative, Jesus) is much more loving and embracing... there's still laws in there to be sure... but it's bit like the difference between a military academy and a Montessori school.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Back in ancient times, people wanted their gods to be jerks.

[Dr. Cynic]

I was commenting on the general change of a vengeful god in the old testament to a loving god in the new testament. Do you deny this perception?

i deny your perception of change

Heb 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

I didn't say Jesus. I said god... They are not one in the same.

You also deny not only my perception, but the perception of any religious leader I've ever known from a Catholic Priest whom I knew to my own grandfather, a Methodist minister. Hell, even a history channel special! They all made that claim. I'll take their word for it. I admit that I don't know you all that well, but I'm unaware of any actual expertise you have on that apart from your own assertions.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I was commenting on the general change of a vengeful god in the old testament to a loving god in the new testament. Do you deny this perception?

i deny your perception of change

Heb 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

I didn't say Jesus. I said god... They are not one in the same.

You also deny not only my perception, but the perception of any religious leader I've ever known from a Catholic Priest whom I knew to my own grandfather, a Methodist minister. Hell, even a history channel special! They all made that claim. I'll take their word for it. I admit that I don't know you all that well, but I'm unaware of any actual expertise you have on that apart from your own assertions.

So you don't believe in the divinity of Christ?

[John Dibble]

I was commenting on the general change of a vengeful god in the old testament to a loving god in the new testament. Do you deny this perception?

i deny your perception of change

Heb 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

I didn't say Jesus. I said god... They are not one in the same.

You also deny not only my perception, but the perception of any religious leader I've ever known from a Catholic Priest whom I knew to my own grandfather, a Methodist minister. Hell, even a history channel special! They all made that claim. I'll take their word for it. I admit that I don't know you all that well, but I'm unaware of any actual expertise you have on that apart from your own assertions.

Sorry dude, but the Trinity doctrine has been a pretty widely held standard among Christians for quite a long time, and it pretty much states that Jesus is God. Here's a diagram:



I know that doesn't really make logical sense, but that's religion for you.

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I know that doesn't really make logical sense, but that's religion for you.

Your arms and legs are an extension of you yet still a part of you. It's the same way with the trinity.

[John Dibble]

I know that doesn't really make logical sense, but that's religion for you.

Your arms and legs are an extension of you yet still a part of you. It's the same way with the trinity.

I don't really find that to be a comparable analogy. One's personality is core to the self, while one can continue on if one loses an arm or a leg.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Supprised jmfcst didn't say anything in regards to my "God loves Satan" claim.

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Supprised jmfcst didn't say anything in regards to my "God loves Satan" claim.

while i find most comments on this board to be without merit, i don't reply to every one of them

[afleitch]

You still here?

[John Dibble]

Did you click on the link?

I did. Really it's not a subject you can accurately condense into a 20 minute presentation, and none of what was presented actually has much if any bearing on whether or not the contents of the Bible are actually true.

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[King]

PRAISE CRHIST!!!

[xfrodobagginsx]

At least spell it right.

[John Dibble]

At least spell it right.

He misspelled it on purpose, obviously. Are you new to the interwebs or something?

[Redalgo]

There does not appear to be a way to prove or disprove beyond any trace of doubt if there is an afterlife and, if it does indeed exist, what it is like and what preconditions mar or may not exist to entering it. It is also troublesome that there are multiple religions that demand faith and behavior on the part of the believer that, if carried out for one religion, will make one ineligible for entry into the Heaven equivalent of another religion. The one "true" religion might have fallen out of grace hundreds of years ago, could be one of the many around today, could be one that folks have not yet realized, or... well you know... there's also a very real possibility that it is all complete bullsh**t and religion amounts to nothing more than a fanciful construct of the mind. I lean mostly toward the latter but it would be foolish of me not to keep an open mind about such things.

Unfortunately, being open minded is not enough. Some faiths demand exclusivity and/or a complete lack of deviance from its teachings. In light of this I offer a variation of the Atheist's wager. At the point of death it seems that one of ten things may occur:

1. There is no deity or afterlife. For better or worse the only thing that remains is ones legacy.
2. There is a deity but no afterlife. The outcomes will probably not be any different than in #1.
3. There is an afterlife but no deity. The thing is... humans beings cannot pass into it. Like #1.
4. There is an afterlife but no deity. Only those of certain faiths or abilities get into it. Like #7.
5. There is a deity and afterlife but neither are meant for us. Rather unfortunate, eh? Like #1.
6. There is a judging, benevolent deity and afterlife. Our flaws and ignorance may be forgiven.
7. There is a judging, not-so-good deity and afterlife. Our acts and faith are a high-stakes bet.
8. There is a deity and afterlife but the afterlife is reserved for a select few as in #4. Like #7.
9. There is an afterlife everyone passes into but no deity. It turns out religion did not matter.
10. There is a deity and an afterlife that everyone can and will pass into in due time. Like #9.

In six of these areas of possibility our religious beliefs and actions in life only matter insofar as how they will affect ourselves, other people, and the world around us. In three of these areas of possibility it is extremely unlikely that anyone possesses the means of discovering how to prepare for what lies ahead. In one, it is just as unlikely that anyone knows how to prepare or what to expect... but the difference is sincerity of effort and attempts at virtuosity may do a lot more good for your chances than completely letting loose under the assumption there will never be any consequences for poor conduct. Personally, I expect but do not know whether the terms of #1 are true. That is okay. I do not need the promise or threat of anything after death to motivate me to be a good person. Perhaps there will be a surprising outcome. Or not. Either way, trying to extol sound values and commit admirable deeds is - in large part - its own reward I would say. Hmm...

[John Dibble]

The only real option is the biblical God.

What evidence do you have for that claim? Why should any of us believe it? Just because you say so?

[SilverPhantom2]

The only real option is the biblical God.

I'm a Buddhist. Will I go to Hell?