Regional & Local Fiscal Relief Act

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

By that logic, Tmthforu94 should be defeated.

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Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

I'm sorry, but we're the best regions in terms of economic numbers. Lowest unemployment and a balanced budget.

Again, since people don't seem to bother reading what I said a million times, I just introduced this to get the ball rolling, and as said above:

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[Marokai Backbeat]

Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

I'm sorry, but we're the best regions in terms of economic numbers. Lowest unemployment and a balanced budget.

Hey now, the Pacific is close behind.

[tmthforu94]

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

By that logic, Tmthforu94 should be defeated.

Well, obviously you don't want to make a positive impact on the region if you aren't willing to embrace progress. You prefer to keep the Mideast and Atlasia as a whole at a huge disadvantage by constantly fighting against free trade agreements that will provide economic oppurtunities for Mideasterners. Mideasterners will be selling their goods at cheaper prices with the free trade agreements you always oppose. Oh, you do support one with Israel though. I wonder why?
(That's how you point an opponents weaknesses out with some substance, btw)

[tmthforu94]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Israel should be included.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Yes, I strongly support Israel.  However, you are deceiving people by saying that I support Israel at the expense of Atlasia, or that I support an FTA with them, when I don't.  You're lying, and that is why I'm angry; I expected better of you.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

I also agree that Yank shouldn't be on mod review, off-topic though that is.

[HappyWarrior]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Israel should be included.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

Uhhh that quote has nothing to do with FTA's, it is about the GTO which is a treaty organization which has nothing to do with FTAs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

Thats why we in the South need the money we are getting and the Mideast needs there share, to modernise.


I hope this passes. I have some good plans for the $22 Billion the DS will get. I don't know if the Stimulus will allow us to spend it on new things(since we have very little already) but I was hoping to take $5 to $10 billion and introduce an iniative that would create dozens of scholarships, and grants for college(For 4 year, 2 year and technical colleges as well); invest in scientific research to like Biomed and Biomass; and invest in some building some new high schools. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

And your not a California elitist? Trust me, it shows.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

I'm sorry, but we're the best regions in terms of economic numbers. Lowest unemployment and a balanced budget.

Hey now, the Pacific is close behind.

Which is precisely my point-- why do you guys get twice as much money from a bill written by the NE Senator, even though your unemployment is pretty much EQUAL?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

By that logic, Tmthforu94 should be defeated.

Well, obviously you don't want to make a positive impact on the region if you aren't willing to embrace progress. You prefer to keep the Mideast and Atlasia as a whole at a huge disadvantage by constantly fighting against free trade agreements that will provide economic oppurtunities for Mideasterners. Mideasterners will be selling their goods at cheaper prices with the free trade agreements you always oppose. Oh, you do support one with Israel though. I wonder why?
(That's how you point an opponents weaknesses out with some substance, btw)

Remember our currency is traded in relation to the RL dollar and since it is falling fast the idea that trade hurts Manufacturing is going to be obsolete. Trade will actually benefit Manufacturing in the future.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Israel should be included.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

You have at least spelled obsolete right.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Yes, I strongly support Israel.  However, you are deceiving people by saying that I support Israel at the expense of Atlasia, or that I support an FTA with them, when I don't.  You're lying, and that is why I'm angry; I expected better of you.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

I also agree that Yank shouldn't be on mod review, off-topic though that is.

Thanks for the consideration. Leip said I only have "short time" to wait before it expires.

"Short Time" sounds almost terminal doesn't it.   "You only have a short time, whereas you have a little while. Just a little while longer."   Okay thats enough George Carlin for one night.

[Purple State]

The Office of the GM fully supports the premise and substance of this bill.

The needs of the regions are not up for debate. The condition of the Mideast is not just a regional problem, left to be dealt with by its Assembly and regional Senator. The situation is rapidly becoming a national economic catastrophe and is standing in the way of any broad national recovery from the current recession. Strong actions such as this are not only proper, but necessary and I urge the Senate to pass this bill quickly so as to limit confusion about allocation of funds from the recovery act.

[tmthforu94]

That was a year ago. And with comments such as wanting to burn Tehran to the ground, I think it is very obvious that you strongly support Israel.

Israel should be included.

It's really sad that you're having to resort to name calling. That won't get you anywhere in life.

Also, NC Yank wants to say In the future currency values will make opposition to trade by Pro-Labor people as absolete as the Model T but knows it won't be posted for hours thanks to the mods...

Uhhh that quote has nothing to do with FTA's, it is about the GTO which is a treaty organization which has nothing to do with FTAs.

I know, HW, I was just pointing out that Ben is pro-Israel.

And also, Ben, please cut the crap that you expected better from me. I have kept this debate on political issues the entire time. You're the one who got personal.

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Hashemite deserves to lose for this

Because I don't seek pork?

Because the Northeast isn't exactly well off and we deserve a Senator who will fight for us, not fail regions that can't modernize their economies.

I'm sorry, but we're the best regions in terms of economic numbers. Lowest unemployment and a balanced budget.

Hey now, the Pacific is close behind.

Which is precisely my point-- why do you guys get twice as much money from a bill written by the NE Senator, even though your unemployment is pretty much EQUAL?

They, unlike us, have a deficit. 

But for the millionth time, I have nothing against an equal distribution of money between regions. What I do have something against is doing nothing on this issue, and I hope most agree. This isn't a bill to play little 'parish interests' and partisan shenanigans with.

[Marokai Backbeat]

We might be close to them in terms of unemployment but we also have an unfortunate deficit we need to fill a California, and other heavily populated states in our region, need to maintain their public services and prevent layoffs.

The NE is in bad shape too, it's just the best off.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We might be close to them in terms of unemployment but we also have an unfortunate deficit we need to fill a California, and other heavily populated states in our region, need to maintain their public services and prevent layoffs.

The NE is in bad shape too, it's just the best off.

Are you going to respond to my PM asking a technical question about the stimulus money soon?

[Vepres]

The Midwest should get more.

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After consideration, maybe giving an equal amount to each would be best to avoid the seemingly inevitable little parish interests and regional battles.

[Marokai Backbeat]

After consideration, maybe giving an equal amount to each would be best to avoid the seemingly inevitable little parish interests and regional battles.

And after you'd convinced me to support staggering the relief money?

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After consideration, maybe giving an equal amount to each would be best to avoid the seemingly inevitable little parish interests and regional battles.

And after you'd convinced me to support staggering the relief money?

Well, I hope there's a way out of the constant 'me regions want more money plz' shenanigans, since right now I don't see it.

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Fine, since all seem intent on playing little regional power shenanigans and parish interests, I'll bite.

I amend my own bill:

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I know it isn't fair to all, but if we continue in this way of MORE MONEY TO ME REGION PLZ for a million years, this will never get passed. So, this is the tough medicine to take to get this passed unless people can get a worldview larger than their own little turf of land and recognize the realities of the nation as a whole. Damn it.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I really wish you hadn't done that and I urge you to withdraw the amendment before I'm forced to open a vote on this, because I object to it.

You're absolutely right that we should give money in accordance to economic conditions, that's the whole point! The population and the conditions of the Midwest do not match the severity of the economic conditions in the Mideast. The conditions of the Southeast and the Northeast are similarly incomparable.

If more people need relief then they should get more money, it's that simple. This shouldn't be viewed in some sort of "oh you're trying to get pork!" thing from yourself or anyone else. It's sensible and I admit to my error when drafting the stimulus that I didn't apportion the money in accordance to need.

I will open a vote on this soon, and do all within my power to stop it, but I strongly urge you to withdraw it before I can wait no longer.

[tmthforu94]

I will vote against this amendment. The Mideast region deserves more money than any other regions. We are one of the largest regions (2nd I believe) and we have the worst economy in Atlasia, with unemployment rates that are nearing 20%. The Mideast region should recieve at least 30 billion, if not more.