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Redefeatbush04
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« on: October 15, 2004, 02:51:01 PM »

If you are pro-life are their any exceptions where abortion should be legal?

If you are pro-choice are their any situtations where abortion should be banned?
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 02:53:43 PM »

Pro-life

I think it's absurd that "pro-choice" has become a feminist movement. See signature; the early feminists sure weren't for it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 03:43:57 PM »

If you are pro-life are their any exceptions where abortion should be legal?

If you are pro-choice are their any situtations where abortion should be banned?
there should be no limits on a womans choices.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 03:53:05 PM »

The answer to the abortion question deepnds upon the answer to the question "When does a human life begin?" which itself depends upons the question "What is a human life?"  At the present time that question cannot be answered objectively, any more than the question of "What is obscene?" can be answered objectively.  Hence I am in favor of deciding this issue at the State level and barring a State Constitutional definition of one of the above-mentioned questions, decided by the legislature and not the judiciary thereof.  I will say that if abortion were an issue to be settled at the Federal level, then in the context of 1972, Roe v. Wade represents what a Federal abortion law would likely have been had Congress passed one.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 04:02:26 PM »

If you are pro-life are their any exceptions where abortion should be legal?

If you are pro-choice are their any situtations where abortion should be banned?
there should be no limits on a womans choices.

This is one of the dumbest things I've read in my life. Exactly how many laws do you break?
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 04:18:44 PM »

The answer to the abortion question deepnds upon the answer to the question "When does a human life begin?" which itself depends upons the question "What is a human life?"  At the present time that question cannot be answered objectively, any more than the question of "What is obscene?" can be answered objectively.  Hence I am in favor of deciding this issue at the State level and barring a State Constitutional definition of one of the above-mentioned questions, decided by the legislature and not the judiciary thereof.  I will say that if abortion were an issue to be settled at the Federal level, then in the context of 1972, Roe v. Wade represents what a Federal abortion law would likely have been had Congress passed one.

This is pretty much how I feel. I think at some point before birth the fetus becomes a person with rights, but I'm unsure of that point. I lean pro-life, and find abortion to be irresponsible at the least, and would be more pro-life the later the pregnancy is.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 04:22:11 PM »

Ernest brings up a good point: "when does human life begin?". If the abortion occurs before full sensory development, and little or no pain is inflicted, is it still a crime? I belief that abortion itself is constitutional, but at the same time despise it. You might not have existed. You could have been inches from life and never lived at all.

A far greater question that even this one, comes to play when a mother's life is at risk......kill the mother, or kill the child? I believe that it should be left up to the mother, or if she can't, the father. Personally if I were the father I would want to save my wife, but many argue that the child has not had a fair chance at life yet.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 04:25:56 PM »

Is it currently legal to, say, kill a baby about two days before it's born?

I agree that abortion is constitutional. But banning abortion is not unconstitutional.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 04:31:41 PM »
« Edited: October 15, 2004, 04:33:13 PM by Redefeatbush04 »

never said it was phillip, but it is best left to the states. Don't you neo-cons have enough constitutional amendments?
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 04:35:45 PM »

Who mentioned a constitutional amendment?

I just want Roe vs. Wade overturned. Which would be basically, if not exactly, what you're saying.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 05:00:25 PM »

Yes sorry for the misunderstanding that is what I want. And the lady in Roe v Wade who had the abortion has since become pro-life. What I don't want Phillip, is for it to be banned nationally.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 05:02:02 PM »

We agree, then
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2004, 05:08:08 PM »

Pro-life
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 06:41:56 PM »

Pro-Choice.  I have no problems with the right to choose; a woman owns her body.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 06:45:05 PM »

BS. I own my body, and I can't go around putting knives in people's backs.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2004, 07:15:11 PM »

Pro-Choice.  I have no problems with the right to choose; a woman owns her body.

Saying that a fetus is part of a womans body is like saying that a siamese twin is part of its sibling's body.

If I had a twin that I was conjoined at the hip with, and then I smashed my twin's skull in, would that be my right to do what I want with my own body?
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2004, 07:24:33 PM »

Pro-Choice.  I have no problems with the right to choose; a woman owns her body.

Saying that a fetus is part of a womans body is like saying that a siamese twin is part of its sibling's body.

If I had a twin that I was conjoined at the hip with, and then I smashed my twin's skull in, would that be my right to do what I want with my own body?

From a scientific standpoint, I do say that the fetus is not part of the woman's body - it is a symbiot, it is attached for mutually beneficial purposes. The fetus clearly gets something - nutrition and shelter. The relationship is not parasitic as some would say, the mother does get something out of it, because the fetus ultimately is for the propagation of the mother and father's DNA to future generations, which is the goal of all lifeforms when it comes down to it - survive and multiply.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2004, 08:05:49 PM »

Strongly Pro-Life

Roe v. Wade has to be one of the worst Supreme Court decisions ever. What's worse is that now Democrats refuse to let someone on the court unless they support the decision. This "litmus test" is ludicrous. What if the Senate had refused to put justices on the court because they did not support Plessy v. Ferguson? We would have never had Brown v. Board. Just because a court decided over 30 years ago that abortion was legal doesn't mean that they were correct. I find it annoying when people try to justify an issue with a Supreme Court decision. The Supreme Court sometimes makes wrong decisions - look at Dred Scott v. Stanford!

God bless William Rehnquist and Byron White (the Roe dissenters)
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2004, 10:04:08 PM »

Moderately pro-choice.

Abortions are totally legal thru the record for the earliest living preemies, then legal for rape, incest, or for the life/health of the mother or fetus/child/object.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2004, 10:05:48 PM »

I am against abortion except in the most extreme cases (rape or when the life of the mother is at risk).
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2004, 10:07:24 PM »

I think we should abortions available to McDonalds or some similar place. Quick and easy to get.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2004, 11:04:17 PM »

Moderately pro-choice.

Abortions are totally legal thru the record for the earliest living preemies, then legal for rape, incest, or for the life/health of the mother or fetus/child/object.

Since for me the question centers on "What is a human life?"  I am opposed to exceptions for rape and incest as no matter how vile the circumatances that lead to a human life being created, once it is a human life, it shouldn't be extermined because of a circumstance beyond its control.

I am against abortion except in the most extreme cases (rape or when the life of the mother is at risk).

When the life if the mother at risk, it becomes a question of what the odds of survival for mother and child if the abortion is not done versus the odds of survival of the mother it is isn't done, so while I would allow for abortions once the fetus had become a human life if not doing so would impair the odds of survival of the mother, it wouldn't be a blanket exemption.

Of course, if it had not yet reached the stage of being a human life, the government would have no business interfering.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2004, 12:07:48 AM »

Moderately pro-choice. I feel that abortion is usually morally wrong, but that throwing people in jail is not the answer. That only makes matters worse. I do not feel that the state should interfere in the decision; it should be up to the woman, her doctor, and her Creator.

Eliminating poverty would eliminate the vast majority of abortions at the same time. That's the only way to truly stop abortion.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2004, 12:38:57 AM »

Almost strongly pro-choice.  I basically take the Joe Hoeffel position.  I oppose partial birth abortion except for rape, life of the mother, and health of the mother.    Otherwise it's a woman's right.  I also favor federal funding as my next Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz does.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2004, 09:51:16 PM »

Pro-life
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