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politicaladdict
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HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Read this post and see what I mean.
How Nazis are like the *Radical* Left Wing
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Love them freepers
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Please. No more of this idiocy.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Trying to plot historical fascism in the left-right political spectrum was the major mistake, actually.
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politicaladdict
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Lief on October 08, 2009, 02:06:26 pm
Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.
Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?
Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.
But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 02:30:02 pm »
Quote from: politicaladdict on October 08, 2009, 02:23:13 pm
Quote from: Lief on October 08, 2009, 02:06:26 pm
Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.
Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?
Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.
But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!
You're an idiot.
Once again you tried to appear intelligent by using terms you don't understand and out of context. Once again, you failed.
First of all: fascism cannot be tied to typical right-left spectrum.
Second of all: Interventionist policies doesn't make Hitler left-wing, because economic affairs are not everything. Using the same thinking you can make Francisco Franco "a leftist".
Third of all: A man, who don';t know the definition of dictatorship is a moron.
Fourth of all: A man who's trying to impose modern terms on very, very, very diffrent story is a moron
Fifth of all: This man is you
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Winston Disraeli
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 03:22:03 pm »
It's debatable. Personally, rather than a left-right spectrum, I think it should be more horseshoe-shaped as Hitler did NOT have a right-wing economic policy at all.
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Ghyl Tarvoke
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Lt. Governor PiT on October 08, 2009, 02:21:16 pm
Trying to plot historical fascism in the left-right political spectrum was the major mistake, actually.
Not really, as long as you hold the left-right spectrum to be valid in some way - which is debatable in itself but fascism certainly belongs there and where it was placed. The problem is that the two terms have changed their meaning when transported to the United States.
Quote from: The Rt Hon. Member for Midlothian on October 08, 2009, 03:22:03 pm
It's debatable. Personally, rather than a left-right spectrum, I think it should be more horseshoe-shaped as Hitler did NOT have a right-wing economic policy at all.
How so?
Otherwise this can't be said enough:
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
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Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
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... and that, by the way, is also one of the reasons why none of Eric Hobsbawm's books has been turned into a succesful Broadway musical so far.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Hard to believe that people this stupid and retarded actually exist.
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20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 04:40:16 pm »
Hitler was an
authoritarian
. He was evil because he murdered millions of innocent individuals and plunged the world into war by invading and attacking his neighbors.
Economically, it's a little less certain where he was, but the
political compass
people put him at center-right.
Though total lack of a government can be a problem too (see Somalia for an example), an unchecked government accountable to none is an unquestionable recipe for disaster.
If you want to show how leftist authoritarianism can be a disaster, try Stalin or Mao (both who had vast numbers of people starve to death because of poor state planning). Contrast with the various mixed economies of Europe - which are not far left, but moreso than the US.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 04:44:44 pm »
Quote from: Rep. Kalwejt (JCP-RI) on October 08, 2009, 02:30:02 pm
Quote from: politicaladdict on October 08, 2009, 02:23:13 pm
Quote from: Lief on October 08, 2009, 02:06:26 pm
Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.
Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?
Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.
But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!
You're an idiot.
Once again you tried to appear intelligent by using terms you don't understand and out of context. Once again, you failed.
First of all: fascism cannot be tied to typical right-left spectrum.
Second of all: Interventionist policies doesn't make Hitler left-wing, because economic affairs are not everything. Using the same thinking you can make Francisco Franco "a leftist".
Third of all: A man, who don';t know the definition of dictatorship is a moron.
Fourth of all: A man who's trying to impose modern terms on very, very, very diffrent story is a moron
Fifth of all: This man is you
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JSojourner
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 05:07:01 pm »
Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...
well...you get the idea.
Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: JSojourner on October 08, 2009, 05:07:01 pm
Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...
well...you get the idea.
Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.
I believe you mean Strasser.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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October 08, 2009, 05:52:41 pm »
All the actually National
Socialists
- Ernst Roehm, the Strasser brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Knives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.
Hitler's economic policy was in line with
Germanic
conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Einzige on October 08, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
All the actually National
Socialists
- Ernst Roehm, the Strass brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Lives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.
Hitler's economic policy was in line with
Germanic
conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.
As Kaljew said, modern terminology is likely not applicable at all.
Love them freepers.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: General Secretary Al on October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
Please. No more of this idiocy.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: The Rt Hon. Member for Midlothian on October 08, 2009, 03:22:03 pm
It's debatable.
Since when?
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Fascism is neither right nor left, let it go.
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I refuse to even acknowledge the stupidity of the comments.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Midwest Governor Vepres on October 08, 2009, 10:14:22 pm
Fascism is neither right nor left, let it go.
That's what the fascists would like you to think.
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Ghyl Tarvoke
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Midwest Governor Vepres on October 08, 2009, 10:14:22 pm
Fascism is neither right nor left, let it go.
Not really. Just the terms "left" and "right" have developed a particular meaning in the United States which was completely different from that of Europe in the 19th Century and Early 20th Century.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Ghyl Tarvoke on October 09, 2009, 04:44:39 am
Quote from: Midwest Governor Vepres on October 08, 2009, 10:14:22 pm
Fascism is neither right nor left, let it go.
Not really. Just the terms "left" and "right" have developed a particular meaning in the United States which was completely different from that of Europe in the 19th Century and Early 20th Century.
Correct. For his day, Hitler was unambiguously on the far-right. That definition has been muddled by both time and a change of political orientation on the political spectrum.
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Einzige on October 08, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
All the actually National
Socialists
- Ernst Roehm, the Strasser brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Kbives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.
Hitler's economic policy was in line with
Germanic
conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.
Indeed, and Hitler get along with industrial complex to get rid off "radicals" like Strasser and Rohm
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Re: HItler actually was a leftst, not the right...
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Quote from: Wyatt Chеsney on October 08, 2009, 05:23:46 pm
Quote from: JSojourner on October 08, 2009, 05:07:01 pm
Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...
well...you get the idea.
Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.
I believe you mean Strasser.
No, Roehm. Anything resembling Socialism in the National Socialist Party was dispatched with Roehm on the Night of the Long Knives.
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