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« on: October 08, 2009, 02:03:24 PM »

Read this post and see what I mean.

How Nazis are like the *Radical* Left Wing
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 02:06:26 PM »

Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 02:08:37 PM »

Love them freepers
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 02:17:46 PM »

Please. No more of this idiocy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 02:21:16 PM »

     Trying to plot historical fascism in the left-right political spectrum was the major mistake, actually.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 02:23:13 PM »

Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.

Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?



Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.

But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 02:30:02 PM »

Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.

Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?

Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.

But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!

You're an idiot.

Once again you tried to appear intelligent by using terms you don't understand and out of context. Once again, you failed.

First of all: fascism cannot be tied to typical right-left spectrum.

Second of all: Interventionist policies doesn't make Hitler left-wing, because economic affairs are not everything. Using the same thinking you can make Francisco Franco "a leftist".

Third of all: A man, who don';t know the definition of dictatorship is a moron.

Fourth of all: A man who's trying to impose modern terms on very, very, very diffrent story is a moron

Fifth of all: This man is you
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 03:22:03 PM »

It's debatable. Personally, rather than a left-right spectrum, I think it should be more horseshoe-shaped as Hitler did NOT have a right-wing economic policy at all.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 03:37:25 PM »

     Trying to plot historical fascism in the left-right political spectrum was the major mistake, actually.

Not really, as long as you hold the left-right spectrum to be valid in some way - which is debatable in itself but fascism certainly belongs there and where it was placed. The problem is that the two terms have changed their meaning when transported to the United States.

It's debatable. Personally, rather than a left-right spectrum, I think it should be more horseshoe-shaped as Hitler did NOT have a right-wing economic policy at all.

How so?

Otherwise this can't be said enough:
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 03:43:44 PM »

Hard to believe that people this stupid and retarded actually exist.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 04:40:16 PM »

Hitler was an authoritarian.  He was evil because he murdered millions of innocent individuals and plunged the world into war by invading and attacking his neighbors.

Economically, it's a little less certain where he was, but the political compass people put him at center-right.

Though total lack of a government can be a problem too (see Somalia for an example), an unchecked government accountable to none is an unquestionable recipe for disaster.

If you want to show how leftist authoritarianism can be a disaster, try Stalin or Mao (both who had vast numbers of people starve to death because of poor state planning).  Contrast with the various mixed economies of Europe - which are not far left, but moreso than the US.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 04:44:44 PM »

Anyone with any understanding of history or politics knows that this is untrue.

Hitler taking away guns, giving money to unmarried women like welfare, having big government such as national socialist health care and education systems and accusing opponents of as "conservative reactionaries" is just false, right?

Don't forget even Woodrow Wilson and FDR were admired by Mussolini and Hitler especially his New Deal policies.

But some liberal idiots just don't want to admit it!

You're an idiot.

Once again you tried to appear intelligent by using terms you don't understand and out of context. Once again, you failed.

First of all: fascism cannot be tied to typical right-left spectrum.

Second of all: Interventionist policies doesn't make Hitler left-wing, because economic affairs are not everything. Using the same thinking you can make Francisco Franco "a leftist".

Third of all: A man, who don';t know the definition of dictatorship is a moron.

Fourth of all: A man who's trying to impose modern terms on very, very, very diffrent story is a moron

Fifth of all: This man is you

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 05:07:01 PM »

Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...

well...you get the idea.

Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 05:23:46 PM »

Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...

well...you get the idea.

Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.

I believe you mean Strasser.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 05:52:41 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2009, 05:42:13 AM by Einzige »

All the actually National Socialists - Ernst Roehm, the Strasser brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Knives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.

Hitler's economic policy was in line with Germanic conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 06:13:43 PM »

All the actually National Socialists - Ernst Roehm, the Strass brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Lives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.

Hitler's economic policy was in line with Germanic conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.

As Kaljew said, modern terminology is likely not applicable at all.

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 06:30:32 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 10:13:29 PM »


Since when?
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 10:14:22 PM »

Fascism is neither right nor left, let it go.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2009, 12:37:14 AM »

I refuse to even acknowledge the stupidity of the comments.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 12:43:01 AM »


That's what the fascists would like you to think.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2009, 04:44:39 AM »


Not really. Just the terms "left" and "right" have developed a particular meaning in the United States which was completely different from that of Europe in the 19th Century and Early 20th Century.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2009, 05:24:18 AM »


Not really. Just the terms "left" and "right" have developed a particular meaning in the United States which was completely different from that of Europe in the 19th Century and Early 20th Century.

Correct. For his day, Hitler was unambiguously on the far-right. That definition has been muddled by both time and a change of political orientation on the political spectrum.
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2009, 05:40:55 AM »

All the actually National Socialists - Ernst Roehm, the Strasser brothers - got murdered or exiled during the Night of the Long Kbives. Goebbels was initially sympathetic to this faction, but Hitler swayed him over to the Right beforehand.

Hitler's economic policy was in line with Germanic conservatism, as formulated by Bismarck: an emphasis on protectionism in the service of business and State-support for the armaments industry. German conservatism in the nineteenth and (very) early twentieth centuries rejected free-market capitalism, but it certainly wasn't economically left-winged, either.

Indeed, and Hitler get along with industrial complex to get rid off "radicals" like Strasser and Rohm
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 10:01:53 AM »

Hitler was a Socialist...I know, I've heard it over and over and over and over and over and...

well...you get the idea.

Ask Ernst Roehm how that little Socialist experiment worked out.

I believe you mean Strasser.

No, Roehm.  Anything resembling Socialism in the National Socialist Party was dispatched with Roehm on the Night of the Long Knives.
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