It's amazing Bush won.

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

3 words Tredrick:

My - Pet - Goat

Question:  If he went charging out of that classroom and to teh nearest telephone what could he have done?  Would this have miraculously stopped the plan from hitting the Pentagon?  Would he have issued orders that were not already being given?  Would thh terrorists have seen Bush was serious and all turned themselves in?

What wonder of wonders would Bush charging out of that room have done?

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

Although it might have helped if the AG didn't say "I don't want to hear any more about this al-quida stuff", or a memo saying "Al-quida Determined to Strike in United states" had been dealt with.

Al-queda Determined to Strike In United States memo. (pdf file)

SHow me the actionable intelligence.

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

3 words Tredrick:

My - Pet - Goat

Question:  If he went charging out of that classroom and to teh nearest telephone what could he have done?  Would this have miraculously stopped the plan from hitting the Pentagon?  Would he have issued orders that were not already being given?  Would thh terrorists have seen Bush was serious and all turned themselves in?

What wonder of wonders would Bush charging out of that room have done?

He is the commander in chief. The 9/11 commission report shows that had he acted within 1 minute of being told the united states was under attack the planes could have been stopped. Instead he spent 7 reading to children. I don't know about you, but I would abandon the kids and defend my country.

He had a sixty second window?  Sorry, but if he had gotten up and left immediately then he would have to be briefed and brought up to speed and he would have given the same order that was given later and what he did when he stayed in the classroom: He would have left it up to the experts to decide what to do.

There is a chain of command.  With the President out of communications leadership fell to other people, who the 9-11 commision shows acted about as well as could be expected.  The President would have deferred to the people who were trained to deal with the situation.

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

3 words Tredrick:

My - Pet - Goat

Question:  If he went charging out of that classroom and to teh nearest telephone what could he have done?  Would this have miraculously stopped the plan from hitting the Pentagon?  Would he have issued orders that were not already being given?  Would thh terrorists have seen Bush was serious and all turned themselves in?

What wonder of wonders would Bush charging out of that room have done?

He is the commander in chief. The 9/11 commission report shows that had he acted within 1 minute of being told the united states was under attack the planes could have been stopped. Instead he spent 7 reading to children. I don't know about you, but I would abandon the kids and defend my country.

He had a sixty second window?  Sorry, but if he had gotten up and left immediately then he would have to be briefed and brought up to speed and he would have given the same order that was given later and what he did when he stayed in the classroom: He would have left it up to the experts to decide what to do.

There is a chain of command.  With the President out of communications leadership fell to other people, who the 9-11 commision shows acted about as well as could be expected.  The President would have deferred to the people who were trained to deal with the situation.

He had been briefed before-hand. I don't even believe he gave the order after that 7 minutes, that is when he left the classroom. And what did our commander in chief do that day. He ran!!! He flew around the country on Air Force one hiding rather than leading this nation.

What should he have done?  FLown next to the plane that wa sheading to DC and went down in PA, jumped on board it and defeated the terrorists in hand to hand combat?  WOuld make a great movie, but has no basis in anything close to reality.

He had not been briefed on what was happening.  All he knew was that 2 planes had flown into the WTC.  That is what he was told.

Again, what should he have done?  Gone back to the white house?  He can lead as well if not better from AF1 than he can from Marine 1 and inside the WH itself.

Seriously, what could he have done?  All he knew coming out of the room was that 2 planes had hit the TWC.  What action could he take?  Groundstop?  Already happening.   Try to contact all planes in the air?  Happening.

What could the President have done that was not already being done?

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The attack on 9/11 was pretty much unpreventable by 2001.

The last chance was in the airports that morning.  Other than that, things were too far along by January 2001.

3 words Tredrick:

My - Pet - Goat

Question:  If he went charging out of that classroom and to teh nearest telephone what could he have done?  Would this have miraculously stopped the plan from hitting the Pentagon?  Would he have issued orders that were not already being given?  Would thh terrorists have seen Bush was serious and all turned themselves in?

What wonder of wonders would Bush charging out of that room have done?

He is the commander in chief. The 9/11 commission report shows that had he acted within 1 minute of being told the united states was under attack the planes could have been stopped. Instead he spent 7 reading to children. I don't know about you, but I would abandon the kids and defend my country.

He had a sixty second window?  Sorry, but if he had gotten up and left immediately then he would have to be briefed and brought up to speed and he would have given the same order that was given later and what he did when he stayed in the classroom: He would have left it up to the experts to decide what to do.

There is a chain of command.  With the President out of communications leadership fell to other people, who the 9-11 commision shows acted about as well as could be expected.  The President would have deferred to the people who were trained to deal with the situation.

He had been briefed before-hand. I don't even believe he gave the order after that 7 minutes, that is when he left the classroom. And what did our commander in chief do that day. He ran!!! He flew around the country on Air Force one hiding rather than leading this nation.

What should he have done?  FLown next to the plane that wa sheading to DC and went down in PA, jumped on board it and defeated the terrorists in hand to hand combat?  WOuld make a great movie, but has no basis in anything close to reality.

He had not been briefed on what was happening.  All he knew was that 2 planes had flown into the WTC.  That is what he was told.

Again, what should he have done?  Gone back to the white house?  He can lead as well if not better from AF1 than he can from Marine 1 and inside the WH itself.

Seriously, what could he have done?  All he knew coming out of the room was that 2 planes had hit the TWC.  What action could he take?  Groundstop?  Already happening.   Try to contact all planes in the air?  Happening.

What could the President have done that was not already being done?

He could have stopped it then and he can stop future attacks now. We need to strengthen the borders, not loosen them. Now all a terrorist has to do is get one of those "green cards" Bush was talking about in the debate. While in the US he buys an AK-47 (cause they can now), and first shoots out a main power line (it is shown that with one gunshot you can knock out power to all of Los-Angeles area). With power down there will be chaos and it will be easy to commit whatever acts they need to with their Ak-47's or otherwise.

You say he could have stopepd it.  How?  How can he be fully briefed on the situation in the air and on the ground and come up with a plan to stop the planes in 60 seconds.

Take all the time you need to come up with a plan.  Then realize you hve the benefit of hindsight and knowing the full timeline of what happened.  Luzuries Bush lacked.  I bet it still takes you more than 60 seconds.

And you can not buy a fully automatic AK-47.  You never could.  You could not buy a semi-automatic AK-47 under the ban, but you could buy many, many other semi-auto weapons.  Heck, my brother-in-law has some in the house next door.  You still can buy them.

The assault weapons ban always was a joke.  It banned weapons that looked scary, but were no more dangerous than other weapons that remained perfectly legal.

How about a real solution to the problem.  How about requiring an ID check and not allowing weapons sold to non-citizens.  How about required safety training with all weapon purchases.  These are things I wager the NRA would agree with.  Heck, they would probably offer to set up the classes.

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Bush received a document back in August titled something like: "Al-queda determined to attack the US" which showed possible interests in hijaking planes. He had a month to do that. I don't know about you but I would have at least read it. As for the assault weapons. The weapons themselves are not excessively more dangerous, but some now-legal accesories covered by the ban are. Flashers which at night make it difficult for police to identify the location of the shooter are now legal. There is no reason to own an assault weapon, even though Osama appeared to think so (in his videos). The only beneficial use of assault weapons is to mow down bodies, such as those kids from Columbine did. I believe that every American has the right to own a gun. I do not believe there is a need for assault weapons. I ask you Tredrick, why do you need an assault weapon?

Yes assault weapons should not be sold to non-citizens. But these folk have people working on the inside. Hell, half of the 9/11 attackers were REGISTERED TO VOTE. Once they get in the insiders they are working with can EASILY get them weapons and other suplies.

Full text of the memo

Show me where it says bin Laden plans to use planes to attack the US.  Show me where there is actionable intelligence.  SHow me where it says these are the people we should go out and arrest.

From the memo there is no sign about the plot that was brewing.  Hijackings had long been a terrorist weapon, using the planes to hit buildings was new and is not mentioned in the memo.

There is nothing in the memo that Bush could do more about than to tell the FBI to keep doing what they were doing.  Is there anything in there that could lead the US to arrest people?  Is there a sign to where bin Laden is at the time the memo was written?

What coudl the President have done, based on this memo, that could haev prevented 9-11?  Order a groundstop because there may be a hijacking?  Order increased security at airports (they were already at their highest level pre 9-11)?  Capture al-qaeda leaders? 

Why do I need an assault weapon?  Because I have the right to bear arms and I need to defend myself and my property if the people like BRTD get in and decide to come and take everything I have worked for so they can create their glorious communist dream.  The right to bear arms is there to allow the people to defend themselves from the military if the government ever becomes oppresive.  A well armed populace is the best defense against totalitarianism, fascism, stalinism and every other -ism that would love to take away some of my other rights.

Still, there needs to be some reasonable regulations.  Most second ammendment supporters miss the "well regulated" part of the ammendment.  Personally I think military quality weapons should be kept as part of community run gun/militia centers.  Ever citizen will be able to access them in the center for practice and other such fun activites.  In times of emergency the center would be there for the use of the community on order of the community mayor, by order of the local council or by demand of a majority of the voting age population.