Public Housing Bill [On the President's Desk]

[Marokai Backbeat]

Anywho, NCY, should I take your (silly) objections as a formal objection to the amendment?

[afleitch]

I understand the concerns over raising taxes to pay for this bill, but it very much appears that the Senate has to cost bills from this point on and I will push for that in any future bills laid before the Senate.

I wanted a deficit neutral bill to cover what I feel was an oversight in the initial Relief and Recovery Act. I had the choice of 'raiding' that bill through an amendment. I still believe that that bill has failing and monies allocated within could be better spent however I felt that it would set poor precedent to do so. I have no intention of proposing to raise income taxes, which are taxes that I wish could be(and i've attempted to) driven down. I thought it was logical to pay 'like with like' and hike estate taxes to pay for this investment.

I don't want to raise taxes either but I had my sights on a Housing Bill this session and is the most appropriate bill I could lay before the Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I understand the concerns over raising taxes to pay for this bill, but it very much appears that the Senate has to cost bills from this point on and I will push for that in any future bills laid before the Senate.

I wanted a deficit neutral bill to cover what I feel was an oversight in the initial Relief and Recovery Act. I had the choice of 'raiding' that bill through an amendment. I still believe that that bill has failing and monies allocated within could be better spent however I felt that it would set poor precedent to do so. I have no intention of proposing to raise income taxes, which are taxes that I wish could be(and i've attempted to) driven down. I thought it was logical to pay 'like with like' and hike estate taxes to pay for this investment.

I don't want to raise taxes either but I had my sights on a Housing Bill this session and is the most appropriate bill I could lay before the Senate.

I like the idead of taxing like for like. I still have other reservations about this bill though. Color me unsure for now.

Anywho, NCY, should I take your (silly) objections as a formal objection to the amendment?

No it was not.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Since NCY doesn't object, and no others have either, this bill has been amended, debate continues as usual.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Final vote is going to open in less than 12 hours or so, depending. Due to the sluggish nature of the Senate lately I'm giving you all some extra time to raise objections or praise. Snap to it!

[Alexander Hamilton]

I think we could do with putting a little more money up for this project, personally. I suppose it is up to the Senate, but this is a good idea that we should be supporting 100% and not just 75%.

[Hash]

Nobody responded to my idea, so, bump.

As an extension, France enacted in 2000 the Loi SRU, which notably compels (it's more of a goal, now) municipalities of a certain size (in France, cities of 3500+ inhabitants [1500 in Paris Region] included within a general organized agglomeration of 50000+ inhabitants) to build atleast 20% of public housing out of the city's building plan/whatever. Is anybody interested in putting this, obviously modified, in this, or would it be too hard to enforce/encroaching on regions/whatever? If so, I think it would also require an alternative option to this 'obligation' of sorts for municipalities unable to achieve this goal or who don't want to.

[Јas]

Nobody responded to my idea, so, bump.

As an extension, France enacted in 2000 the Loi SRU, which notably compels (it's more of a goal, now) municipalities of a certain size (in France, cities of 3500+ inhabitants [1500 in Paris Region] included within a general organized agglomeration of 50000+ inhabitants) to build atleast 20% of public housing out of the city's building plan/whatever. Is anybody interested in putting this, obviously modified, in this, or would it be too hard to enforce/encroaching on regions/whatever? If so, I think it would also require an alternative option to this 'obligation' of sorts for municipalities unable to achieve this goal or who don't want to.

Sounds interesting. Similar sorts of public housing quotas are in effect in Ireland - I think it's something like a requirement on developments of a certain size to provide at least 10% of their housing to public housing purposes or to give the local authority the monetary equivalent such that they can direct such construction...or something. Housing policy isn't something I'm well versed in I'm afraid.

Anyway, as I say, I'd be happy to hear more on this.

[MaxQue]

Nobody responded to my idea, so, bump.

As an extension, France enacted in 2000 the Loi SRU, which notably compels (it's more of a goal, now) municipalities of a certain size (in France, cities of 3500+ inhabitants [1500 in Paris Region] included within a general organized agglomeration of 50000+ inhabitants) to build atleast 20% of public housing out of the city's building plan/whatever. Is anybody interested in putting this, obviously modified, in this, or would it be too hard to enforce/encroaching on regions/whatever? If so, I think it would also require an alternative option to this 'obligation' of sorts for municipalities unable to achieve this goal or who don't want to.

Well, what are the problems who happened in France with that?

[Hash]

Nobody responded to my idea, so, bump.

As an extension, France enacted in 2000 the Loi SRU, which notably compels (it's more of a goal, now) municipalities of a certain size (in France, cities of 3500+ inhabitants [1500 in Paris Region] included within a general organized agglomeration of 50000+ inhabitants) to build atleast 20% of public housing out of the city's building plan/whatever. Is anybody interested in putting this, obviously modified, in this, or would it be too hard to enforce/encroaching on regions/whatever? If so, I think it would also require an alternative option to this 'obligation' of sorts for municipalities unable to achieve this goal or who don't want to.

Well, what are the problems who happened in France with that?

Certain municipalities don't want to build 20% of social housing for obvious reasons and prefer to pay some sort of penalty (though they often don't even need to pay it).

And cookies for those who guess the type of municipalities I'm talking about.

[MaxQue]

Nobody responded to my idea, so, bump.

As an extension, France enacted in 2000 the Loi SRU, which notably compels (it's more of a goal, now) municipalities of a certain size (in France, cities of 3500+ inhabitants [1500 in Paris Region] included within a general organized agglomeration of 50000+ inhabitants) to build atleast 20% of public housing out of the city's building plan/whatever. Is anybody interested in putting this, obviously modified, in this, or would it be too hard to enforce/encroaching on regions/whatever? If so, I think it would also require an alternative option to this 'obligation' of sorts for municipalities unable to achieve this goal or who don't want to.

Well, what are the problems who happened in France with that?

Certain municipalities don't want to build 20% of social housing for obvious reasons and prefer to pay some sort of penalty (though they often don't even need to pay it).

And cookies for those who guess the type of municipalities I'm talking about.

Well, I would support that in Atlasia (with a penalty for opting out).

[Marokai Backbeat]

As debate has snagged for a couple days, the following bill is now at a final vote. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Aye

[Јas]

Aye

[tmthforu94]

Aye

[afleitch]

Aye

[Hash]

Aye

I guess nobody cared about my idea.

[afleitch]

Aye

I guess nobody cared about my idea.

FTR I was open to it, but I wasn't able to try and word a further amendment to cover it. I had already amended my own bill

[Franzl]

Aye

[Rowan]

Nay

[Marokai Backbeat]

6 Ayes, 1 Nay, this bill is currently passing. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye

[Fritz]

Aye

[Marokai Backbeat]

8 Ayes, 1 Nay, this bill has now passed. I present it to the President for his signature.

[MaxQue]

Aye ftr

[Lief 🗽]

X Lief