Hitler was a socialist!

[politicaladdict]

If wasn't a socialist than what was he?

His party was called "National SOCIALIST Party".

Does anyone know where this symbol came from?
http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=56041_ussr-socialist-swastika1919-1920cav-red-army-prikaz_122_123lo.jpg

I'll give you a hint, it was worn by the red army. So Hitler even copied a socialist symbol the bottom link explains it.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

Similar poster. Who's copying who?
http://img204.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=56311_2cyfq0l_122_244lo.jpg

The "Roman" salute is generally said to have been invented by Mussolini but Musso was a Marxist who knew Lenin well so it is not surprising that Stalin was influenced by Musso's ideas for a while.

The posters above come via a documentary film called Soviet Story. See here. The film has had a lot of praise from people who should know and it reinforces much that I say above and below here.
http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/photos/

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Please. Stop. Now. For the Love of God. And His Son. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Think of the Children. Please. Please. Please. Please Think of the Children.

[politicaladdict]

Please. Stop. Now. For the Love of God. And His Son. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Think of the Children. Please. Please. Please. Please Think of the Children.

Yes, there's no chance he didn't copying anything off of socialists. Those were just similar right? And there's no chance he was one right?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How dense are you, child? You appear to have all the intelligence and logical thought patterns of a man who repeatedly bashes his head against a brick wall in order to make his skull stronger.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

CAn I just ask what the big deal is with Hitler? Why do Americans have such an infatuation with him? You talk about any gov't policy or history and I guarrantee you the 10th word out of everyone's mouth is "Hitler" or "Nazi" or "Fascist". Hitler would rank in the middle when discussing brutal dictators. Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao, and others undoubtly killed far more people. More people died in Communist regimes then under Nazi ones. We faught the Japs and the Italians at the same time, yet nobody ever remembers Tojo, Hirohito, or Mussolini. It's Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, and of course lets not forget Hitler. He was not the first or last dictator to go after Jews Tsar Nicholas before and Stalin afterwards both singled out that group, as did many other tyrants going far back to ancient history. Hitler did lead the enemy in the most deadly war ever but again he wasn't alone in that either. Still there is no reason to single out Hitler and forget the numerous other brutal tyrannts that have for thousands of years targeted, tortured, and menaced there own people.

[Sbane]

Does anyone know where this symbol came from?
http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=56041_ussr-socialist-swastika1919-1920cav-red-army-prikaz_122_123lo.jpg

I'll give you a hint, it was worn by the red army. So Hitler even copied a socialist symbol the bottom link explains it.

The swastika is actually about 3,000 years old (or older) and was used by many cultures around the world, including Native Americans. It was a symbol for good until Hitler came around and ruined it for everybody else. But yeah, nice try.

[Хahar 🤔]

We faught the Japs

I'd suggest you not use that particular word. It's not 1943.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hitler was not a socialist. I remember making this stupid arguement once myself before I read up on economic schools. The Germans had an economic philosphy of economic Nationalism dating back to the early years in Prussia. Bismarck used it to unite the economy and create one of the top three economies often competing with Britain for second place in the late 1800's and early 1900's and was beat out only by the USA( Yet I can't seem to replicate this is in Victoria:Revolutions at all, I can never keep up with the Germans, but thats for a different thread). The Germans have also had a long record of social policies like ending child labour and creating entitlements in the mid 1800's long before any other economy did that. Hitler merely took advantage of this tradition.

 Its ironic but some of the same Germanic economic policies were transported and incorporated into US economic policy. The arguement for Tarriffs in the late in 1800's was driven by immigrant German economists as American Businesses began to see benefit in free trade after being the biggest proponents of Protectionism. This was echoed by statements made by President McKinley at the Exihibition right before his assissination.

Hitler wasn't a Socialist.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We faught the Japs

I'd suggest you not use that particular word. It's not 1943.

There are worse words that can be used to describe them but I won't cause I like the Japanese.

[Edu]

Wow, the swastika, which is a symbol first used thousands of years ago, was actually a socialist symbol according to this guy.

And i thought i had heard them all LOL



And yeah, we don't need 20 identical topics from you trying to make these retarded arguments of yours

[Psychic Octopus]

We faught the Japs

I'd suggest you not use that particular word. It's not 1943.

There are worse words that can be used to describe them but I won't cause I like the Japanese.

I believe the correct term is "Tojos"

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We faught the Japs

I'd suggest you not use that particular word. It's not 1943.

There are worse words that can be used to describe them but I won't cause I like the Japanese.

I believe the correct term is "Tojos"

Japs was actually the most common amongst the troops at least from what I have seen and read. At home we were at lot lest Politically Correct and so The four letter word beginnning with N was used to describe them.

[Хahar 🤔]

"Jap" isn't exactly a nice word to use, particularly since the war has been over for nearly 65 years.

And you can't like or dislike the Japanese without living among them like I do.

[Middle-aged Europe]

If wasn't a socialist than what was he?

His party was called "National SOCIALIST Party".

So, what's your point?


East Germany's official name was "German Democratic Republic".

Russia's ultra-nationalists call themselves "Liberal Democratic Party".

Portugal's major conservative party is the "Social Democratic Party".

Denmark's most important right-wing party is the "Venstre" (= "the Left").

[Associate Justice PiT]

If wasn't a socialist than what was he?

His party was called "National SOCIALIST Party".

So, what's your point?


East Germany's official name was "German Democratic Republic".

Russia's ultra-nationalists call themselves "Liberal Democratic Party".

Portugal's major conservative party is the "Social Democratic Party".

Denmark's most important right-wing party is the "Venstre" (= "the Left").

     That reminds me of a Conservapedia article that used the Australian Liberal Party as an example of a party that is liberal.

[Hash]

If wasn't a socialist than what was he?

His party was called "National SOCIALIST Party".

So, what's your point?


East Germany's official name was "German Democratic Republic".

Russia's ultra-nationalists call themselves "Liberal Democratic Party".

Portugal's major conservative party is the "Social Democratic Party".

Denmark's most important right-wing party is the "Venstre" (= "the Left").

     That reminds me of a Conservapedia article that used the Australian Liberal Party as an example of a party that is liberal.

If they meant liberalism as economic liberal and classical liberalism, so the French-European meaning of the word, then they're correct. But I somehow doubt that they thought of that, knowing their low IQ level.

[k-onmmunist]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

You're an idiot.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Given what happend to actual Socialists under the Nazi regime (here's a random example), I do find the interwebs-tendency to scream that Hitler-Was-A-Socialist to be in astonishingly bad taste.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The official name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

North Korea is obviously a democracy.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Yes, Hitler was a socialist. Before his rise to power, he vigorously defended himself against charges by Goebbels and the Strassers that he was a petty-bourgeois and not a true socialist.

In practice, NS Germany's economic policies were Keynesian and corporatist, with an obvious militaristic bent.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Yes, Hitler was a socialist. Before his rise to power, he vigorously defended himself against charges by Goebbels and the Strassers that he was a petty-bourgeois and not a true socialist.

And yes, we can all see that by what did he when actually given power.

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Not really. Unless you mean for towards words to mean any sort of government "interference" with the economy - which makes every single state in history socialist.

Also I would argue that "national socialism" is a contradiction in terms, as socialism is by its nature a rejection of nationalism. Also, what Al said.

[Nhoj]

Why do people reply to troll topics?

[Middle-aged Europe]

Yes, Hitler was a socialist. Before his rise to power, he vigorously defended himself against charges by Goebbels and the Strassers that he was a petty-bourgeois and not a true socialist.

Gregor Strasser could be counted as some sort of a "nationalist socialist" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism). Of course, he was executed after Hitler took power.

When it comes to "National Socialism", a certain nuance is also lost in translation. There's a difference between Nationaler Sozialismus and Nationalsozialismus. The Nazis always emphasized that they adhered to the latter (and opposed the former). In English both terms are translated into "National Socialism". I guess that's also the reason why you can find so many "Hitler-was-a-socialist!" threads in English-speaking forums.

[k-onmmunist]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

You're an idiot.

Am I? Clue me this one then, cretin, what was Hitler's party called?

Aha. I win.