Rumours!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Love it or hate it, the dude's a schemer bastard and a threat to the game.

Fixed.

Watch it Ben, that word can get you on Mod Review.

Well first of all they're hardly vicious rumors now, are they? I was approached last night by someone who shall remain nameless that informed me, in great detail of the desperate deal PiT was trying to make with the LNF.

Such things included throwing DWTL under the bus in the Northeast, defeating Hashemite and supporting Rocky instead, the support of Xahar in the Southeast, second preference support, among many other things. PiT was, according to my source, incredibly desperate and willing to make several offers to get his way.

I was also told Hamilton was involved. When I confronted PiT with this, he confirmed they were working together.

It struck me as odd not only because it reinforces the idea the PiT is someone who will do whatever it takes to win, but it seemed unusual for such a cutthroat deal to be offered to the LNF, a party that purportedly is in the game to realize that it's a game and not take things seriously. The PMs I sent to LNF members were simply to say things like "Remember why you exist." "Remember the message." "It is just a game, afterall." Etc.

How quickly PiT is willing to throw his own party members under the bus, not only in the Midwest, Northeast, and Southeast, just for his own gain, is disgusting. And they affect us all, and deserve our united opposition.

I am going to kill both of those f**kers with my bare hands.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would advise that no one trust any of these idiots or there denials.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

    I had no serious intentions of endangering the prospects of any ProCon candidates, though I was hoping to set Rocky up so that he could at least win if it looked like DWTL wasn't going to. Not to mention that Xahar is still under sentence & cannot hold office, so supporting him would mean little.

     But it really doesn't matter, because everything a member of the Atlasian right says is wrong.

Do you expect me to believe that when I have PMs sitting in my mailbox where you justify shooting DWTL down and have messages detailing your offers to support Xahar and Sewer Socialist over your party's candidates? (Among many other things.)

YOU CAN'T PROVE JACK CRAP!

I'll be happy to post the PMs if everyone involved would give me permission to release them to the public.

I hope permission can be obtained. If they don't have anything to hide there shouldn't be any objections.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And some people within the Party said there are no factions..... if you believe that you're on PCP.

I said that the factions weren't as defined between old and new as you guys claimed. Its more a story of Hamilton hitching up with whoever can advance his goals and when it doesn't suit him anymore he moves on to the next alliance, almost like what Stalin did in the 1920's in the USSR's communist party.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And some people within the Party said there are no factions..... if you believe that you're on PCP.

I said that the factions weren't as defined between old and new as you guys claimed. Its more a story of Hamilton hitching up with whoever can advance his goals and when it doesn't suit him anymore he moves on to the next alliance, almost like what Stalin did in the 1920's in the USSR's communist party.

I did'nt mean you.  I distinctly remember DWTL saying that once.

He may have but I did say something in Marokai's Newpaper back when he pushing Hamilton as force of "Change and good" (lol) in the party setting it up as DWTL versus the future.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Now I can understand why Hamilton had such a problem informing the party at-large at least about his plans and deals, like the RPP used to do via the private forum. Kind of hard to do that when you are backstabbing two important party members.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This game isn't worth all this sweat and blood. Time to rethink my involvement in "Atlasia" once again. Perhaps it has gotten too intense.

Losing one more voice of Sanity would not be good.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This game isn't worth all this sweat and blood. Time to rethink my involvement in "Atlasia" once again. Perhaps it has gotten too intense.

Losing one more voice of Sanity would not be good.

Yankee you're the least sane person here. And to think that you are talking all this sh**t after coming to me with concerns about your election and then throwing be under the bus when I try to do something about it. Now it's only your fault if you lose.

The facts as presented say something different. I don't need your schemes to save me, and I didn't ask for your help in particular, but for help in general to contact our voters and made sure they got out to vote. Maybe if you used the goddamn private forum more, then maybe you won't have to worry about my reaction to second hand information. If this was some sort of plan to help me, then there was no excuse for not informing me.

Now I can understand why Hamilton had such a problem informing the party at-large at least about his plans and deals, like the RPP used to do via the private forum. Kind of hard to do that when you are backstabbing two important party members.

I was the one being backstabbed. I know what you said about me a long time ago Yankee. And you were never getting backstabbed. In fact, if Xahar wants to chime in, he can tell you that I was talking him in to saving you.

I shall see if that is the case. You shouldn't have put yourself in a situation to be reallying on Xahar to back up your statements. USE THE PRIVATE FORUM.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why? You don't post what you say about me on the part of the private forum I can see. I don't need to do a damn thing you say. You talk in private, I'll talk in private.

I did post my reservations and issues on there millions of times, and nobody listened. You have a way of turning threads into echo chambers. I couldn't let what I saw continue and have people think I was fine with it, so I went public. I did what I had to do to feel good about it and yes I paid the price for it.

This is different, this is a plan for the party that involves trying to help me win reelection. Don't you think it would be wise to inform me off it, so my own efforts don't collide with yours and that the two efforts work together and not against each other. That I should have veto power over a plan involving me, that could potentially backfire like this has and cause potenial harm to my chances instead of help. Untill you understand these conditions and this reasoning behind it, I don't want you developing a single plan, contacting anyone outside the party, or doing any negotiating on the party's behalf. If Duke and PiT don't have the balls to put you in your place and do what has to be done for the sake of the party and this game, then they are all too far gone to save and Duke is right about considering leaving again. Maybe I will do the same.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why? You don't post what you say about me on the part of the private forum I can see. I don't need to do a damn thing you say. You talk in private, I'll talk in private.

I did post my reservations and issues on there millions of times, and nobody listened. You have a way of turning threads into echo chambers. I couldn't let what I saw continue and have people think I was fine with it, so I went public. I did what I had to do to feel good about it and yes I paid the price for it.

This is different, this is a plan for the party that involves trying to help me win reelection. Don't you think it would be wise to inform me off it, so my own efforts don't collide with yours and that the two efforts work together and not against each other. That I should have veto power over a plan involving me, that could potentially backfire like this has and cause potenial harm to my chances instead of help. Untill you understand these conditions and this reasoning behind it, I don't want you developing a single plan, contacting anyone outside the party, or doing any negotiating on the party's behalf. If Duke and PiT don't have the balls to put you in your place and do what has to be done for the sake of the party and this game, then they are all too far gone to save and Duke is right about considering leaving again. Maybe I will do the same.

No because you have a tendency to not be rational.

Thats no excuse Hamilton and you know it. I am very rational when people act in a way to justify it. Stupidity, Stupidity is what drives me to be irrational.

Of course what you really mean is "You would never have let me do it". Well, thats the general idea.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Let's see here. As is usually the case, I've been cued in with second-hand information from enough different sources now to get a decent picture of what's going on. I'm so far down the Atlasian grapevine it's not even funny.

It's fun to see some more of Hamilton's scheming, of course. I'm about 95% he's the driving force behind this as well as everything the PCP is doing these days. He's leading much of PiT's campaign, doing all the "zombie" and new member recruiting, leading the massive voter shifts to the Mideast to bolster Tmthforu94, and the voter shift to the Northeast, while also moving enough voters away from the Southeast that he leaves intraparty opponent NCYankee vulnerable. It seems now he's got a plan to ensure the defeat of intraparty rival DWTL (who if you look at the numbers won't win anyway) while also getting PiT into the Presidency! This definitely carries Hamilton's mark. Love it or hate it, the dude's a schemer.

Bacon King, to be honest, you're an idiot. I didn't move voters anywhere (except a friend to the Northeast who wants to run for Assembly).

People left the South because of you and DWTL. People left the Pacific because I left.

Come on now, surely you should give yourself more credit than that!

No. DWTL threatened to move people to the Mideast to defeat Tmth, which caused Dan to move back. Then DWTL left to try and win a race in the NE. I have no idea why Sam Spade left.

And I'm sure it's all so simple.

In all honesty, I think enough credible posters have exposed enough of your deceitful and manipulative nature that I don't even really need to dignify that with a response.

Either leave Atlasia or ditch the Machiavellian nonsense, before you kill the entire game. Please.

This is all you really need to do, Hamilton. Become one of the party instead of the attention whore leader in all but name status you seem to have gotten yourself potrayed as.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was the first person to reveal Hamilton for what he was, but no one listened to my warning calls.

You haven't revelaed anything. THis whole time nothing has been revelaed except my desire to alter the NE Senate race and bullying PiT

Nope one more thing has been revealed. That you have tremendous desire for control, influence, and power. You must lack these in real life or something.

Bully Pit? Good god if that doesn't sum you up then I don't know what does.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was the first person to reveal Hamilton for what he was, but no one listened to my warning calls.

You haven't revelaed anything. THis whole time nothing has been revelaed except my desire to alter the NE Senate race and bullying PiT

Bully Pit? Good god if that doesn't sum you up then I don't know what does.

Yes. I did. I had to. I had no other choice

You don't have to do anything. The fact that you think you do just says all the more about you as a person.

I was the first person to reveal Hamilton for what he was, but no one listened to my warning calls.

You haven't revelaed anything. THis whole time nothing has been revelaed except my desire to alter the NE Senate race and bullying PiT

Your attempts to shield PiT in this scheme are ridiculous and transparent. I PMed PiT too, you know. He didn't seem like a hostage when he was talking about his plans, and his working relationship with you.

Its just another scheme. And if PiT were smart he would come out an admit to it and apoligize for it like he did when he posted those PM's. Otherwise his reputation will never recover and if he is considering sailing himself down the river to save Hamilton from looking like a liar here, then I feel sorry for him for thinking Hamilton is worthy of such a sacrifice.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was the first person to reveal Hamilton for what he was, but no one listened to my warning calls.

You haven't revelaed anything. THis whole time nothing has been revelaed except my desire to alter the NE Senate race and bullying PiT

Your attempts to shield PiT in this scheme are ridiculous and transparent. I PMed PiT too, you know. He didn't seem like a hostage when he was talking about his plans, and his working relationship with you.

Of course not. I hear about everything. Why would I care to shield PiT? That would only serve to damage me. Better yet, why would I care to make all these crazy deals on behalf of PiT? Why would PiT agree to them?

Simply because that is how I choose to do things and once I get an idea I gotta go for it. So I apologize to PiT for being aggressive with him.

WE have gotten the most important piece of the puzzle yet and it explains the reluctance to the use the Private Forum. He can't accept being told no.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You had an option, sir. You could have said, 'I am not going to do it. This is wrong for Atlasia, and I am not going to ask Atlasians to pay the price.' You had an option, sir — to say 'no' — and you chose to say 'yes' to the old attitudes and the old stories of the RPP. That sir, if I may say respectfully, that is not good enough for Atlasians.

The exact same could be said to PiT.

not when i forced him to.

They don't know what really went on so they are grabbing for straws to hurt PiT. Typical Marokai. Such scum.

The sad thing is, what you did/doing is hurting PiT more then Marokai ever could. But I don't know the whole story, so I'll bite my lips for now.

I don't see how it hurts PiT. Maybe I wanted it to hurt PiT. That would have been better for the plan, but since everyone now knows that we bullied PiT into doing it, people are going to see through my attempts to make PiT look bad

Why would you want to "make" PiT look bad. What kind of sick f**k are you.

You had an option, sir. You could have said, 'I am not going to do it. This is wrong for Atlasia, and I am not going to ask Atlasians to pay the price.' You had an option, sir — to say 'no' — and you chose to say 'yes' to the old attitudes and the old stories of the RPP. That sir, if I may say respectfully, that is not good enough for Atlasians.

The exact same could be said to PiT.

not when i forced him to.

They don't know what really went on so they are grabbing for straws to hurt PiT. Typical Marokai. Such scum.

well i think they should know. but whatever. We will let them keep on guessing.

The fact that you are in on some secret that you aren't divulging, doesn't speak very well of you either, you know. So don't parade the fact that you know about it around like some BS accomplishment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In order to save the game, there might be a huge development coming. Watch this space.

Oh! I just love surprises.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Good lord we might have a head on collision between two runaway trains.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What on earth is going on?

Braveheart was just drawn and quartered

lol

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

[23:38] pizzathehut014: Southeast is safe Yankee, Mideast is safe Tmth, Pacific is safe MaxQue
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Northeast race may get intersting, we'll see
[23:38] NaveedIC: Safe Yankee?
[23:38] NaveedIC: lol
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Midwest is the truest toss-up, third time in a row
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Yankee is safe, I have contacted many on his behalf
[23:38] NaveedIC: Why?
[23:39] pizzathehut014: Because I want him to win
[23:39] NaveedIC: Means Dan Adams will win.
[23:39] pizzathehut014: No.I want Dan Adams to lose
[23:39] pizzathehut014: Yankee is the person who invited me to the game

I've always known the LNF is a fraud, but I thank Sewer Socialist for exposing it. Any disappointed LNF members are welcome in the JCP.

I think the LNF has acquitted itself quite well here.

I am touched, just trully touched. Not to distract from the fact that this was a big mistake of an idea that never had any chance of success and that at least all those involved and affected should have been told, but whatever, I got College Applications to work on.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

[23:38] pizzathehut014: Southeast is safe Yankee, Mideast is safe Tmth, Pacific is safe MaxQue
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Northeast race may get intersting, we'll see
[23:38] NaveedIC: Safe Yankee?
[23:38] NaveedIC: lol
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Midwest is the truest toss-up, third time in a row
[23:38] pizzathehut014: Yankee is safe, I have contacted many on his behalf
[23:38] NaveedIC: Why?
[23:39] pizzathehut014: Because I want him to win
[23:39] NaveedIC: Means Dan Adams will win.
[23:39] pizzathehut014: No.I want Dan Adams to lose
[23:39] pizzathehut014: Yankee is the person who invited me to the game

I've always known the LNF is a fraud, but I thank Sewer Socialist for exposing it. Any disappointed LNF members are welcome in the JCP.

I think the LNF has acquitted itself quite well here.

I am touched, just trully touched. Not to distract from the fact that this was a big mistake of an idea that never had any chance of success and that at least all those involved and affected should have been told, but whatever, I got College Applications to work on.

I think it was a great idea. Al should've never PMed Sewer Socialist, who I believe is a fake Marokai account.

EarlAW was obviously informed and accepting, based on SS's PMs. It seems that he is trying to save face.

Priceless. Trying to throw the blame onto others now.

Pass the popcorn over here! Looks like it only gets better.

If my tooth wasn't hurting so bad I would have some as well but alas it hurts and the fact that it is freezing only makes it worse.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I hope I'm not the only that made actual popcorn in real life to watch this unfold.

ROFLOL

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am not in an untouchable position, just fyi. I worry about my position like anyone else does.

  C'mon man usually you are the honest one.  We all know that the JCP can pull you across the finish line quite easily

Yeah okay, I just don't want to seem arrogant.

Marokai arrogant? Impossible. Just like there is no gambling is Casablanca.