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« on: October 20, 2009, 01:14:47 pm »

Intended as a long-running project with occasional updates. There's no need to do maps showing the development of party support because they've been done already. This is for other things, usually at lower levels than state or province.

Anyway. What might be thought of as the standard key or at least standard colours:



The colour blocks will be used for keys showing party or candidate support, the numbers are the standard keys for a percentage lead.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 01:24:00 pm »



Map shows leading candidate and the first round - in the second, Jarres and Braun withdrew and were replaced by Hindenburg and Marx (who finished third in the first round). Hindenburg won, of course.
I'm not entirely sure how useful this map is for one or two reasons, but it seemed like a good place to start.

Oh, and the government level used is Regierungsbezirk and equivalents. Summary results of the election can be found here: http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/g/germany/president.txt

EDIT: I based this off some dog-eared old photocopies I got my hands on years ago. Anyway, I checked a couple of results against those on the website linked to by Hans below and it turns out that there was a hilarious error in Oldenburg. Which has now been corrected.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 01:26:16 pm »



The same notes apply to this one. This map is of the runoff, not the first round. Note that Thälmann was also on the ballot and polled strongly in places.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 01:56:51 pm »
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It's not perfect to navigate, but the 1933 Reichstag elections by district are here.

Now all we need is a map of the boundaries at that precise point...
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 02:51:09 pm »
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This is a map of Bavaria from the Reichstags election 1928



BBB = Bavarian Farmers League

It's from this site: http://www.stmuk.bayern.de/blz/web/archiv/landtag/artikel.html
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 03:06:46 pm »

DNVP winning in places that would, just a few years later, be some of the Nazi's strongest districts anywhere isn't surprising, I guess. Surprised that the SPD could win anywhere in Lower Bavaria, even though 1928 was a good year for them.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 03:08:35 pm »

There's a book in the uni library here with, IIRC, quite a lot of electoral data for some random parts of Saxony at a very low level - if I get time, I'll have fun with the photocopier tomorrow...
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 03:20:17 pm »
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DNVP winning in places that would, just a few years later, be some of the Nazi's strongest districts anywhere isn't surprising, I guess. Surprised that the SPD could win anywhere in Lower Bavaria, even though 1928 was a good year for them.

1928 was a good year for the SPD. This distinct in lower Bavaria is Regen and there gives many workers in the glass industry.  1932 was the KPD there the strongest party. http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/php/ausgabe_gebiet.php?gebiet=1703. On the other hand, on the countryside in Lower Bavaria the people are a little bit anarchistic Wink That can you see with the result of the Bavarian Farmers League there.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 03:25:37 pm »

and there gives many workers in the glass industry.

Yeah, everything makes sense now. Was there much in the way of industry in Upper Franconia? Protestantism alone presumably isn't the reason for SPD success there as rural Middle Franconia shows.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 03:31:18 pm »

I actually referenced the old thread in my official IB to-be-sent-abroad extended essay Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 03:33:44 pm »
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Was there much in the way of industry in Upper Franconia? Protestantism alone presumably isn't the reason for SPD success there as rural Middle Franconia shows.


In Upper Franconia gives a Protestant part (Bayreuth, Hof, Coburg) and Catholic part (Bamberg, Lichtenfels, Kronach) It gave many industry worker there. Porcelain and Textil was the main industry.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 03:34:16 pm »
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Looking at the state map, you can see the BRD-DDR border already...
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 05:02:24 pm »
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There are some communes in Mecklenburg Sterlitz, Hannover and Brunswick that are beyond the DDR-BDR border IRC. However, the old boundaries are there for the Landeskirches.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 06:24:02 pm »
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Given the darkness of many districts, black may not be the best background.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 06:35:17 pm »

Given the darkness of many districts, black may not be the best background.

Most importantly, it's extremely hard to differentiate Held and Jarres on the map.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2009, 06:58:38 pm »

Given the darkness of many districts, black may not be the best background.

Most importantly, it's extremely hard to differentiate Held and Jarres on the map.

I might edit Held a different sort of blue at some point (though because of darkness it still won't be all that easy to tell - it's harder to tell dark shades apart). But he was the BVP candidate and on that map won all but Upper and Middle Franconia in Bavaria and nowhere outside Bavaria.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2009, 01:19:01 pm »
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Thanks Hans, beautiful link!
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 05:23:46 pm »



1932 Presidential Election - first round, votes per candidate.

My, my, Southwestern Saxony certainly had "interesting" politics back then. Also - I wonder how Duesterberg's vote went in the second round, hmm...
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2009, 07:49:32 am »
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Playing around with 1919 election results... the way the USPD received votes in random outcrops is perfectly strange.
Of course, of course, the elections were held two months after the end of the war. The party had been getting organized more or less clandestinely for the two previous years. It obviously got votes where it had a "face". And probably in the areas where there were violent strikes in 1917 - an issue I know far too little about.

But, still. Upper Franconia shall serve as a random example. This is by Kaiserreich-era constituency. I'm sort of ordering from most Catholic to most Protestant here. Really, I'm ordering for effect, of course.

Bamberg BVP 57, SPD 29, DDP 13, DNVP 1, USPD 0.2
Kronach SPD 43, BVP 41, DDP 9, DNVP 4, USPD 2.2
Forchheim BVP 37, SPD 34, DNVP 15, DDP 12, USPD 0.9
Bayreuth SPD 52, DDP 20, DNVP 20, BVP 6, USPD 2.1
Hof USPD 47, DDP 26, SPD 17, DNVP 8, BVP 2

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2009, 08:11:44 am »
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47% is of course an extremely strong showing, but compare Lower Franconia.

Aschaffenburg BVP 52, SPD 35, DDP 10, USPD 3.1, DNVP 0.6
Lohr BVP 60, SPD 26, DDP 11, DNVP 1.9, USPD 0.7
Kitzingen BVP 47, SPD 27, DDP 24, DNVP 2.8, USPD 0.1 (54 votes. There are results for similar-sized areas elsewhere with an actual clean zero votes. There's also an area where the USPD didn't get a slate organized, forget where that was. Trier maybe.)
Würzburg BVP 44, SPD 34, DDP 19, DNVP 1.5, USPD 1.1
Neustadt an der Saale BVP 58, SPD 22, DDP 15, USPD 3.9, DNVP 1.0
Schweinfurt BVP 43, SPD 24, USPD 19, DDP 13, DNVP 2.6

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 10:51:11 am »
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Bamberg BVP 57, SPD 29, DDP 13, DNVP 1, USPD 0.2
Kronach SPD 43, BVP 41, DDP 9, DNVP 4, USPD 2.2
Forchheim BVP 37, SPD 34, DNVP 15, DDP 12, USPD 0.9
Bayreuth SPD 52, DDP 20, DNVP 20, BVP 6, USPD 2.1
Hof USPD 47, DDP 26, SPD 17, DNVP 8, BVP 2


I come from this constituency. In the Kaiserreich was nearly the complete SPD in Hof against the war and all SPD Members of Parliament of this region was in the USPD. After the revolution  in November 1918 in this region was the "Arbeiter und Soldatenrat" (Workers and Soldiers Soviet) in power and not only for a few days, no nearly a half year.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 12:08:49 pm »
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Bamberg BVP 57, SPD 29, DDP 13, DNVP 1, USPD 0.2
Kronach SPD 43, BVP 41, DDP 9, DNVP 4, USPD 2.2
Forchheim BVP 37, SPD 34, DNVP 15, DDP 12, USPD 0.9
Bayreuth SPD 52, DDP 20, DNVP 20, BVP 6, USPD 2.1
Hof USPD 47, DDP 26, SPD 17, DNVP 8, BVP 2


I come from this constituency. In the Kaiserreich was nearly the complete SPD in Hof against the war and all SPD Members of Parliament of this region was in the USPD. After the revolution  in November 1918 in this region was the "Arbeiter und Soldatenrat" (Workers and Soldiers Soviet) in power and not only for a few days, no nearly a half year.
Ah, but such soviets existed elsewhere too - remember that this election was quite early (january 10th, I think) - though frequently (as in Frankfurt) they were never, not even for a fleeting moment, the real seat of power. The bit about all the leading SPD people having joined the USPD is probably quite important.
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 12:17:56 pm »

I was only aware of that pattern in Saxony (ie; Leipzig v everywhere else) - interesting.
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 12:30:51 pm »
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I was only aware of that pattern in Saxony (ie; Leipzig v everywhere else) - interesting.
NO NO NO, Leipzig, Plauen and the Sächsische Schweiz v everywhere else!!!!

Oh, also Thuringia. Where USPD vs SPD support follows statelet lines.

Sachsen-Meiningen: SPD at almost 60, USPD at 1 or so
Sachsen-Alteburg: SPD at 56, USPD at 0.odd
Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach, two more easterly constituencies: SPD at 50, USPD at a couple
westerly constituency: SPD at 37, USPD at 17
Sachsen-Coburg: SPD at 55, USPD at a couple
Sachsen-Gotha: USPD at 54, SPD at 5*
Reuß sr line: USPD 43, SPD 20
Reuß jr line: USPD 50, SPD 15
Schwarzburg-Sondershausen: USPD 55, SPD at a couple
Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt: SPD 60, USPD at a couple
Prussian bits: Nordhausen constituency USPD 43, SPD 15
Erfurt etc constituency USPD 40, SPD 22
Mühlhausen etc constituency SPD 25, USPD 25
Eichsfeld SPD 17, USPD 5 or so
Schmalkalden SPD 38, USPD 33 or two thirds of their RB Kassel vote

*Yes, Coburg and Gotha had been one state until 1918. Or two states with a joint head of state, really. They split as a result of the removal of the duke. And then, of course, Coburg didn't want to join this radical new state of Thuringia, and ended up joining Bavaria instead.
Meanwhile, the two Reußisch states had merged in december of 1918.
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 12:38:51 pm »

NO NO NO, Leipzig, Plauen and the Sächsische Schweiz v everywhere else!!!!

Plauen? Interesting bearing in mind later voting patterns. Does that mean just the town, or does it include the rural district?

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Oh, also Thuringia. Where USPD vs SPD support follows statelet lines.

Sachsen-Meiningen: SPD at almost 60, USPD at 1 or so
Sachsen-Alteburg: SPD at 56, USPD at 0.odd
Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach, two more easterly constituencies: SPD at 50, USPD at a couple
westerly constituency: SPD at 37, USPD at 17
Sachsen-Coburg: SPD at 55, USPD at a couple
Sachsen-Gotha: USPD at 54, SPD at 5*
Reuß sr line: USPD 43, SPD 20
Reuß jr line: USPD 50, SPD 15
Schwarzburg-Sondershausen: USPD 55, SPD at a couple
Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt: SPD 60, USPD at a couple
Prussian bits: Nordhausen constituency USPD 43, SPD 15
Erfurt etc constituency USPD 40, SPD 22
Mühlhausen etc constituency SPD 25, USPD 25
Eichsfeld SPD 17, USPD 5 or so
Schmalkalden SPD 38, USPD 33 or two thirds of their RB Kassel vote

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*Yes, Coburg and Gotha had been one state until 1918. Or two states with a joint head of state, really. They split as a result of the removal of the duke. And then, of course, Coburg didn't want to join this radical new state of Thuringia, and ended up joining Bavaria instead.
Meanwhile, the two Reußisch states had merged in december of 1918.

As in our ghastly royal family, yes, yes, I know that.
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