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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2009, 12:30:51 AM »

Pure propaganda -nothing more.  I wish it were possible to ask the cable companies to take out specific channels, for this would definitely come front and center. 

Unfortunately when some have no compete clauses with contracts they sign you miss some.  For example here in the NY area you can not receive MSNBC if you have Verizon Fios (which is what I have) due to a contract MSNBC signed years ago with Cablevision.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2009, 11:10:09 AM »

Pure propaganda -nothing more.  I wish it were possible to ask the cable companies to take out specific channels, for this would definitely come front and center. 
There has been rumors of a future with a la carte channels for a long time now, don't know if it will ever come to pass.  We can dream.

It seems that a French DSL company, Free, has just launch an offer for it, saw an ad yesterday on TV.

Just curious, would someone have an enough precise idea of their audience in term of figures or rank in the US?
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2009, 11:49:01 AM »

Only channel on my tv with a parental block, I don't want my son to accidentally turn it on and catch the stupids. Cheesy

Of course you will unlock it in the future when he's older, just so you can show him what blithering idiots look like?  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2009, 12:36:12 PM »

Just curious, would someone have an enough precise idea of their audience in term of figures or rank in the US?
They rule as far as cable news channels go, but I'm pretty sure the audience pales in comparison to the network evening news numbers.  Here is a site discussing the cable news channel numbers, I'll look for one compairing them to the real networks.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2009, 12:38:37 PM »

Probably the worst culprit in the blending of entertainment and news.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2009, 12:41:36 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2009, 01:48:30 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?

Which again makes you want to question why the Administration is trying to pick a fight with them, and why they think FOX drives the rest of the media.
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2009, 03:14:46 PM »

Only channel on my tv with a parental block, I don't want my son to accidentally turn it on and catch the stupids. Cheesy
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2009, 03:16:09 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?

unfair to place cable and network on the same raw playing field and then pretend to derive anything from it.
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2009, 03:33:21 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?

unfair to place cable and network on the same raw playing field and then pretend to derive anything from it.

At least we can say that Fox News became over the top on the cable. And can make the the 1/4 of the normal network, just according to figures dead0 posted.
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2009, 03:38:02 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?

unfair to place cable and network on the same raw playing field and then pretend to derive anything from it.

At least we can say that just because Fox has the highest cable ratings, that doesn't mean it is the forum for most of the country. When they compare their shows to shows on CNN or MSNBC, they are just a larger niche comparing themselves to smaller niches.
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »

Can't wait to see the usual assortment of hacks defend it as a legitimate news source and balanced network.

I'm not going to say that Fox News isn't bias... and horribly so, but I fail to see how that makes it any different from any other media outlet.  This bizarre notion that media outlets are supposed to be unbiased is an almost uniquely American one, and only in the last 50 or so years.  If you go almost anywhere else in the world, you will see that almost all journalism is tabloid journalism.  The British papers are about as reputable as the Weekly World News.  And to read the American papers that were around when the Founders proposed the first amendment would be like getting your news from the Daily Show... so the Founders were not basing their belief in freedom of the press on the notion that only "reputable" news sources should be allowed to cover the government.

There is no such thing as "unbiased".  People's opinions that one organization is more balanced than the others is based purely off of predetermined opinions.

Journalistic ethics are a farce.  There are no ethics in journalism.  Never have been, never will be.

I don't put my faith in any one opinion, or news organization.  I read the papers that I feel are the least bad, and use my judgment to filter out the crap.

That's how this works.  Not by declaring that one organization shouldn't be granted access because you don't like their stand on something.  If Bush did this to any news organization, can you imagine the anger that would cause with the people who are now giggling over Obama's exclusion of Fox News?

To declare a media outlet to not be a "real" news organization, and to use that as a basis for throwing them out of the loop... as a government...  If the National Enquirer wants to cover the Oval Office, the White House should credential them... they have a duty to do so.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2009, 03:41:32 PM »

NBC Evening News had 8.3 million viewers last night.  cite
Fox News peaked at 2.9 million on Wed during prime time (last day numbers are available) cite

Yeah, Fox News is killing it...wait, what?

unfair to place cable and network on the same raw playing field and then pretend to derive anything from it.
k....Fox News sucks, but their impact on the minds of Americans is overblown by their loudest detractors.  A very VERY small percentage of Americans, less than 1%, are watching Bill O and friends.  Nearly 3 times as many Americans get their news from the top network news program.  Yeah, FoxNews isn't available in as many homes as NBC....and?  It doesn't change the above facts.
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2009, 03:54:05 PM »

Can't wait to see the usual assortment of hacks defend it as a legitimate news source and balanced network.

I'm not going to say that Fox News isn't bias... and horribly so, but I fail to see how that makes it any different from any other media outlet.  This bizarre notion that media outlets are supposed to be unbiased is an almost uniquely American one, and only in the last 50 or so years.  If you go almost anywhere else in the world, you will see that almost all journalism is tabloid journalism.  The British papers are about as reputable as the Weekly World News.  And to read the American papers that were around when the Founders proposed the first amendment would be like getting your news from the Daily Show... so the Founders were not basing their belief in freedom of the press on the notion that only "reputable" news sources should be allowed to cover the government.

There is no such thing as "unbiased".  People's opinions that one organization is more balanced than the others is based purely off of predetermined opinions.

Journalistic ethics are a farce.  There are no ethics in journalism.  Never have been, never will be.

I don't put my faith in any one opinion, or news organization.  I read the papers that I feel are the least bad, and use my judgment to filter out the crap.

That's how this works.  Not by declaring that one organization shouldn't be granted access because you don't like their stand on something.  If Bush did this to any news organization, can you imagine the anger that would cause with the people who are now giggling over Obama's exclusion of Fox News?

To declare a media outlet to not be a "real" news organization, and to use that as a basis for throwing them out of the loop... as a government...  If the National Enquirer wants to cover the Oval Office, the White House should credential them... they have a duty to do so.

According to what I've seen of them i wouldn't reproach them their biases. I totally agree unbiased things are just a myth. We can just congratulate those who try to be as unbiased as possible, that's all. And personally, I've nothing against clearly biased media, I find it rather pretty interesting that there are clearly biased media.

I wouldn't reproach them their bias yes, i would reproach them their totally trash methods of "journalism", on several levels, still according to the few i've seen of them.
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2009, 04:00:47 PM »

Can't wait to see the usual assortment of hacks defend it as a legitimate news source and balanced network.

I'm not going to say that Fox News isn't bias... and horribly so, but I fail to see how that makes it any different from any other media outlet.  This bizarre notion that media outlets are supposed to be unbiased is an almost uniquely American one, and only in the last 50 or so years.  If you go almost anywhere else in the world, you will see that almost all journalism is tabloid journalism.  The British papers are about as reputable as the Weekly World News.  And to read the American papers that were around when the Founders proposed the first amendment would be like getting your news from the Daily Show... so the Founders were not basing their belief in freedom of the press on the notion that only "reputable" news sources should be allowed to cover the government.

There is no such thing as "unbiased".  People's opinions that one organization is more balanced than the others is based purely off of predetermined opinions.

Journalistic ethics are a farce.  There are no ethics in journalism.  Never have been, never will be.

I don't put my faith in any one opinion, or news organization.  I read the papers that I feel are the least bad, and use my judgment to filter out the crap.

That's how this works.  Not by declaring that one organization shouldn't be granted access because you don't like their stand on something.  If Bush did this to any news organization, can you imagine the anger that would cause with the people who are now giggling over Obama's exclusion of Fox News?

To declare a media outlet to not be a "real" news organization, and to use that as a basis for throwing them out of the loop... as a government...  If the National Enquirer wants to cover the Oval Office, the White House should credential them... they have a duty to do so.

According to what I've seen of them i wouldn't reproach them their biases. I totally agree unbiased things are just a myth. We can just congratulate those who try to be as unbiased as possible, that's all. And personally, I've nothing against clearly biased media, I find it rather pretty interesting that there are clearly biased media.

I wouldn't reproach them their bias yes, i would reproach them their totally trash methods of "journalism", on several levels, still according to the few i've seen of them.

But my point is that that doesn't even matter.  The debate shouldn't be about whether Fox is biased or not.  The debate is about whether that should matter.

The Founding Fathers used to pay newspapers to attack and print lies about their opponents.  Clearly they didn't think that the presses freedom to cover government affairs was contingent on how fair news outlets were.

This notion that new outlets should be fair is not only ridiculous, but it draws this debate into dangerous territory.
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2009, 04:14:20 PM »

Can't wait to see the usual assortment of hacks defend it as a legitimate news source and balanced network.

I'm not going to say that Fox News isn't bias... and horribly so, but I fail to see how that makes it any different from any other media outlet.  This bizarre notion that media outlets are supposed to be unbiased is an almost uniquely American one, and only in the last 50 or so years.  If you go almost anywhere else in the world, you will see that almost all journalism is tabloid journalism.  The British papers are about as reputable as the Weekly World News.  And to read the American papers that were around when the Founders proposed the first amendment would be like getting your news from the Daily Show... so the Founders were not basing their belief in freedom of the press on the notion that only "reputable" news sources should be allowed to cover the government.

There is no such thing as "unbiased".  People's opinions that one organization is more balanced than the others is based purely off of predetermined opinions.

Journalistic ethics are a farce.  There are no ethics in journalism.  Never have been, never will be.

I don't put my faith in any one opinion, or news organization.  I read the papers that I feel are the least bad, and use my judgment to filter out the crap.

That's how this works.  Not by declaring that one organization shouldn't be granted access because you don't like their stand on something.  If Bush did this to any news organization, can you imagine the anger that would cause with the people who are now giggling over Obama's exclusion of Fox News?

To declare a media outlet to not be a "real" news organization, and to use that as a basis for throwing them out of the loop... as a government...  If the National Enquirer wants to cover the Oval Office, the White House should credential them... they have a duty to do so.

According to what I've seen of them i wouldn't reproach them their biases. I totally agree unbiased things are just a myth. We can just congratulate those who try to be as unbiased as possible, that's all. And personally, I've nothing against clearly biased media, I find it rather pretty interesting that there are clearly biased media.

I wouldn't reproach them their bias yes, i would reproach them their totally trash methods of "journalism", on several levels, still according to the few i've seen of them.

But my point is that that doesn't even matter.  The debate shouldn't be about whether Fox is biased or not.  The debate is about whether that should matter.

The Founding Fathers used to pay newspapers to attack and print lies about their opponents.  Clearly they didn't think that the presses freedom to cover government affairs was contingent on how fair news outlets were.

This notion that new outlets should be fair is not only ridiculous, but it draws this debate into dangerous territory.

Oh personally, i wouldn't come with some legal measures about that, that's how it would come on a dangerous ground.

I just allow myself to criticize their methods from my point of view. Because, yep, me too, I'm not unbiased.
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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2009, 11:55:06 PM »

Is ir just me, or is Supersoulty one of our smartest posters?
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2009, 05:12:51 AM »

Is ir just me, or is Supersoulty one of our smartest posters?

Check out his posts on smoking.
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2009, 05:24:03 AM »

Is ir just me, or is Supersoulty one of our smartest posters?

Check out his posts on smoking.

I loved it when he freaked out about Obama's decision to accept the nomination at INVESCO Field.
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2009, 10:40:45 AM »

Is ir just me, or is Supersoulty one of our smartest posters?

Check out his posts on smoking.

I loved it when he freaked out about Obama's decision to accept the nomination at INVESCO Field.

All the Republicans were like that. Screaming about his arrogance here would cost him thousands of votes.
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »
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All the Republicans were like that. Screaming about his arrogance here would cost him thousands of votes.

Yeah, I remember. But soulty became so apoplectic that he made J.J. actually look thoughtful and rational.
I sincerely believed back then that he had lost it.
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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2009, 02:01:20 PM »

Hmmm, I don't remember him going that crazy. Got a link to that thread?
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« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2009, 02:11:40 PM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=78778.0

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Even his kids remind me of the Bush kids.  They act like they have never been told to do anything.

They do.  They made Obama make a promise that if he won the nomination the kids get a dog... WTF?  Kids extracting things from their parents.  They also seem to say whatever they want, which might be cute to some people, but I personally find it a little odd that they seem to have no idea that some behavior is a little unacceptable, even for a 10 year old.  Even worse, Obama trouts them out in front of the cameras with impunity, which isn't good for little kids.

Please reread the whole thread. It's hilarious.
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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2009, 09:08:05 PM »

Yeah, he went crazy there.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2009, 12:14:28 PM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=78778.0

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Even his kids remind me of the Bush kids.  They act like they have never been told to do anything.

They do.  They made Obama make a promise that if he won the nomination the kids get a dog... WTF?  Kids extracting things from their parents.  They also seem to say whatever they want, which might be cute to some people, but I personally find it a little odd that they seem to have no idea that some behavior is a little unacceptable, even for a 10 year old.  Even worse, Obama trouts them out in front of the cameras with impunity, which isn't good for little kids.

Please reread the whole thread. It's hilarious.

Am now. The blatant use of the "Hitler ate sugar" fallacy near the beginning is quite amusing.
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