Dirty Tactics in the Dirty South

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tux approached me a few days ago about this, and I told him he should probably let everyone know what was happening. I was not pleased to know that my friend was being harassed via PM, about his vote. Especially as an LNF member, why shouldn't he vote for Xahar? Why should he be threatened about future support?

I haven't seen the PMs, but I trust tux is telling the truth and is quite disgruntled about this. He's not the one to create scandal and outrage over nothing. I'm sure he had every intention to get along with the Governor until this happened.

The facts as previously stated do not back up that interpretation of events.

[Hatman 🍁]

Tux approached me a few days ago about this, and I told him he should probably let everyone know what was happening. I was not pleased to know that my friend was being harassed via PM, about his vote. Especially as an LNF member, why shouldn't he vote for Xahar? Why should he be threatened about future support?

I haven't seen the PMs, but I trust tux is telling the truth and is quite disgruntled about this. He's not the one to create scandal and outrage over nothing. I'm sure he had every intention to get along with the Governor until this happened.

The facts as previously stated do not back up that interpretation of events.

That's my end of the story. Are you calling me liar?

[Daniel Adams]

Tux approached me a few days ago about this, and I told him he should probably let everyone know what was happening. I was not pleased to know that my friend was being harassed via PM, about his vote. Especially as an LNF member, why shouldn't he vote for Xahar? Why should he be threatened about future support?

I haven't seen the PMs, but I trust tux is telling the truth and is quite disgruntled about this. He's not the one to create scandal and outrage over nothing. I'm sure he had every intention to get along with the Governor until this happened.

The facts as previously stated do not back up that interpretation of events.

That's my end of the story. Are you calling me liar?

Conceivably, titaniumtux is the liar. He's twisting the facts at the very least.

Why would I threaten him over future support if he's already voted? And, if he specifically asked about political opportunities for a libertarian, was it wrong to tell him libertarians and conservatives are Xahar's opponents? He did call himself a "noob", and I thought he was unaware of Xahar's political positions. Never did I actually threaten him or harass him (ha!). But I'm repeating what I've said already. Nobody has yet stated what was unethical about my conduct (because it wasn't unethical).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tux approached me a few days ago about this, and I told him he should probably let everyone know what was happening. I was not pleased to know that my friend was being harassed via PM, about his vote. Especially as an LNF member, why shouldn't he vote for Xahar? Why should he be threatened about future support?

I haven't seen the PMs, but I trust tux is telling the truth and is quite disgruntled about this. He's not the one to create scandal and outrage over nothing. I'm sure he had every intention to get along with the Governor until this happened.

The facts as previously stated do not back up that interpretation of events.

That's my end of the story. Are you calling me liar?

If the shoe fits, wear it.

The facts as I have gathered was that

1. Titanium PMed Dan asking about his chances as a Libertarian in the DS.
2. Dan responds(after Titanium had voted) by saying that supporting statists isn't a good way to improve those Chances

I don't see how any of that has to do with intimidation. He asked a question and got a response that is that is an adequate interpretation of the politics of Libertarians and Conservatives in the DS.


I think Titanium is exaggerating, and I think you are lying because he is your friend. And I think everyone else wants to use this to beat a Dead horse. We get it, you all hate the RPP/PCP. Doing this king of silly BS isn't goin to make us go away.

[Hatman 🍁]

I just read some of PMs, and I'm not too happy with some of Mr. Adams' use of language.  He also called the Dirty South "the Sh*ty South", which I found odd...

[Sbane]

Welcome to Atlasia! Your vote will be the topic of many PMs?. Heck I almost sent one to you asking for your vote, but I ran out of time.

Nothing wrong with asking me to vote for you (unless it's election day).

Well I don't think he was trying to get you to change your vote(it was already after you had voted), just making you aware that it wasn't the wisest course if you intended to seek support from DS Libertarians and Conservatives in the future. What you did to Dan would constitute entrapment.

How the hell is it entrapment? Seems more like a misunderstanding. As a member of the LNF, Tux rightly felt that he should vote for his party member. He also didn't appreciate it when he felt Daniel Adams was threatening him about his political future based on his vote. Now perhaps Daniel was simply pointing out that a vote for Xahar wouldn't help him with the conservatives and libertarians of the "sh**ty south" (Daniel's words, not mine), thus causing a misunderstanding. Don't see how this is entrapment though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just read some of PMs, and I'm not too happy with some of Mr. Adams' use of language.  He also called the Dirty South "the Sh*ty South", which I found odd...

While mildly disconcerting, I have to ask, was there anything beyond that could come close to being unethical or in any make my interpretation of events less true then yours?

[Daniel Adams]

I have no idea what the hell titaniumtux showed you, Earl, but I would NEVER and have NEVER insulted my region in that manner. Titaniumtux has gone beyond twisting my words and is forging PM conversations, if what you say is true.

[Hatman 🍁]

Maybe I'll ask for some screenshots, or get him to log into his account next time he's over.

[Daniel Adams]

Maybe I'll ask for some screenshots, or get him to log into his account next time he's over.

I'd appreciate it. I could understand if titaniumtux misunderstood my words, but such prevarications are extremely troubling.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Welcome to Atlasia! Your vote will be the topic of many PMs?. Heck I almost sent one to you asking for your vote, but I ran out of time.

Nothing wrong with asking me to vote for you (unless it's election day).

Well I don't think he was trying to get you to change your vote(it was already after you had voted), just making you aware that it wasn't the wisest course if you intended to seek support from DS Libertarians and Conservatives in the future. What you did to Dan would constitute entrapment.

How the hell is it entrapment? Seems more like a misunderstanding. As a member of the LNF, Tux rightly felt that he should vote for his party member. He also didn't appreciate it when he felt Daniel Adams was threatening him about his political future based on his vote. Now perhaps Daniel was simply pointing out that a vote for Xahar wouldn't help him with the conservatives and libertarians of the "sh**ty south" (Daniel's words, not mine), thus causing a misunderstanding. Don't see how this is entrapment though.

True indeed, the effect though of Tux's actions was entrapment no matter what, but its unintentional in the situation you describe. But if you are a cynnical person like me who often assumes the worst intentions in people's actions and then considers the possibility that it was intentional, then it really is entrapement. If its a misunderstanding why hasn't Tux admitted to it instead of continuing to make this wildly exaggerated claim that Dan intimidated him when no such thing occured?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

What is the point of this thread other than to slander the PCP and Daniel Adams? The more I read about it, the more it sounds like dirty politics.

[Sbane]

Welcome to Atlasia! Your vote will be the topic of many PMs?. Heck I almost sent one to you asking for your vote, but I ran out of time.

Nothing wrong with asking me to vote for you (unless it's election day).

Well I don't think he was trying to get you to change your vote(it was already after you had voted), just making you aware that it wasn't the wisest course if you intended to seek support from DS Libertarians and Conservatives in the future. What you did to Dan would constitute entrapment.

How the hell is it entrapment? Seems more like a misunderstanding. As a member of the LNF, Tux rightly felt that he should vote for his party member. He also didn't appreciate it when he felt Daniel Adams was threatening him about his political future based on his vote. Now perhaps Daniel was simply pointing out that a vote for Xahar wouldn't help him with the conservatives and libertarians of the "sh**ty south" (Daniel's words, not mine), thus causing a misunderstanding. Don't see how this is entrapment though.

True indeed, the effect though of Tux's actions was entrapment no matter what, but its unintentional in the situation you describe. But if you are a cynnical person like me who often assumes the worst intentions in people's actions and then considers the possibility that it was intentional, then it really is entrapement. If its a misunderstanding why hasn't Tux admitted to it instead of continuing to make this wildly exaggerated claim that Dan intimidated him when no such thing occured?

Maybe because he thinks he was being intimidated? I see no reason for Tux to entrap Dan.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Welcome to Atlasia! Your vote will be the topic of many PMs?. Heck I almost sent one to you asking for your vote, but I ran out of time.

Nothing wrong with asking me to vote for you (unless it's election day).

Well I don't think he was trying to get you to change your vote(it was already after you had voted), just making you aware that it wasn't the wisest course if you intended to seek support from DS Libertarians and Conservatives in the future. What you did to Dan would constitute entrapment.

How the hell is it entrapment? Seems more like a misunderstanding. As a member of the LNF, Tux rightly felt that he should vote for his party member. He also didn't appreciate it when he felt Daniel Adams was threatening him about his political future based on his vote. Now perhaps Daniel was simply pointing out that a vote for Xahar wouldn't help him with the conservatives and libertarians of the "sh**ty south" (Daniel's words, not mine), thus causing a misunderstanding. Don't see how this is entrapment though.

True indeed, the effect though of Tux's actions was entrapment no matter what, but its unintentional in the situation you describe. But if you are a cynnical person like me who often assumes the worst intentions in people's actions and then considers the possibility that it was intentional, then it really is entrapement. If its a misunderstanding why hasn't Tux admitted to it instead of continuing to make this wildly exaggerated claim that Dan intimidated him when no such thing occured?

Maybe because he thinks he was being intimidated? I see no reason for Tux to entrap Dan.

Indeed that may be the case. The question is does Tux acknowledge there may have been a misunderstanding.

On the surface Tux would have no reason to entrap Dan however I am have become much more skeptical of peoples intentions especially after Hamilton. I also think that the DA/JCP/LNF tag team will do anything to discredit the PCP.

[Sewer]

I like how Dan Adams calls people statists.

[Hatman 🍁]

The last thing tux wants to do is is discredit the Libertarians here. If it wasn't for the LNF, he would be in the PCP.

[Hatman 🍁]

I'd like to apologize to Dan for accusing him of calling the Dirty South the "Sh*ty South [sic]". It appears our message board where tux posted the PMs changes the word dirty to sh*ty for some reason. Rather humourous, but a big misunderstanding.

[Sbane]

I'd like to apologize to Dan for accusing him of calling the Dirty South the "Sh*ty South [sic]". It appears our message board where tux posted the PMs changes the word dirty to sh*ty for some reason. Rather humourous, but a big misunderstanding.

LOL that is hilarious. I would also like to apologize to Dan for saying he called the Dirty south the "sh**ty south".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'd like to apologize to Dan for accusing him of calling the Dirty South the "Sh*ty South [sic]". It appears our message board where tux posted the PMs changes the word dirty to sh*ty for some reason. Rather humourous, but a big misunderstanding.

lol LNFers

[Brandon H]

Before even seeing this thread and his vote, TitaniumTux seemed like someone I would consider voting for if he ran in the future (especially with an L avatar). And then when I saw he voted for Xahar, I was asking myself if he was really a libertarian. Granted party loyalty is important as well. I have voted for people based on party in the past, when looking back another candidate would have been a better choice.

A while back Sensei was registered in the Southeast. There was an uncontested race with a right leaning candidate. Sensei voted NOTA. Some felt that he just didn't want to vote for the conservative. He later said he just didn't like voting in uncontested races.

Your vote will affect a lot of how people judge you (kind of how I'm judging a lot of people voting Lief, Al, and Franzl in any particular order with Pit not even preferenced at all).

Tux voted for the guy that was in the same party as him, which makes sense. It just so happened that that guy has a history of certain things and holds political positions that aren't exactly in the mainstream of the region and when asking for advice from Dan Adams, DA felt that Tux, being relatively new, may not have been aware of that. Probably just a misunderstanding so we should all move on.

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What message board software are you guys using? Or do you have a mod / plugin installed that does that?

[Sbane]

I'd like to apologize to Dan for accusing him of calling the Dirty South the "Sh*ty South [sic]". It appears our message board where tux posted the PMs changes the word dirty to sh*ty for some reason. Rather humourous, but a big misunderstanding.

lol LNFers

Our forum is awesome, but not as much as yours. You can go check it out and see we aren't making it up. Ours is open to the public, unlike yours.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'd like to apologize to Dan for accusing him of calling the Dirty South the "Sh*ty South [sic]". It appears our message board where tux posted the PMs changes the word dirty to sh*ty for some reason. Rather humourous, but a big misunderstanding.

lol LNFers

Our forum is awesome, but not as much as yours. You can go check it out and see we aren't making it up. Ours is open to the public, unlike yours.

Well judging by the previous post from Brandon, we may be getting some improvements made. .

[Hatman 🍁]

It appears someone created some word filters. "Southeast" translates into "Sh*ty South". Not sure who did that I'm guessing it was Hamilton, as aaronburr is one of the filter words.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It appears someone created some word filters. "Southeast" translates into "Sh*ty South". Not sure who did that I'm guessing it was Hamilton, as aaronburr is one of the filter words.

thats what you get for having so many Admins.

[Daniel Adams]

Well, I'm glad that issue was cleared up.