Should John Muhammad be executed?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Muhammad is mentally ill and should not be executed.

This.

Well for the record Lewis, your making it look like I said that, which I didn't.  Lewis' quote is from the article I posted, not from me.

Disappointing, Lewis.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I have no sympathy at all for this murder. I oppose death penalty however. He should he held in small cell until the rest of his miserable life. That's much worse than injection.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

No.  It's concerning that he has only received seven years of punishment for killing ten people.  Furthermore, it's also concerning that so many people support the death penalty because they believe that his punishment will somehow continue after he dies; i.e. that the phrase "burn in hell" is intended literally.  

Yeah, we're the same ilk who do hokus pokus things like offer Inks our prayers for his health......we're not of the congnoscenti like you and many others here.  

[minionofmidas]

Muhammad is mentally ill and should not be executed.

This.

Well for the record Lewis, your making it look like I said that, which I didn't.  Lewis' quote is from the article I posted, not from me.

Disappointing, Lewis.

It hadn't been my intention to mislead - Sorry for opening myself up for the impression.
I was just saying that I agree, have agreed since I first read details about the culprits, with what his lawyers are saying. Not that he "shouldn't" be executed from a moral personal pov, but that he is constitutionally ineligible for the death penalty. And that those who wanted him fried and pulled out all the stops to get it (all the way down from John Ashcroft) oughtn't to be. Getting an insane or innocent or retarded man to be killed by judicial process, for personal political gain, is murder in my book.

[Mechaman]

Am I seriously the only one here who sees a possibility for rehabilitation?

We can turn this bastard into our own killing machine! Just lock him in a cold dark room and play this voice claiming to be Allah that commands him to kill whoever Rahm Emmanuel tells him too!

Okay enough sarcasm.
If we employ the use of an extremely well trained psychologist who somehow has the ability to mind control people we can turn this man into a social worker and he coudl plant trees and sh*t along the roads. Come on guys, this is America!

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Muhammad is mentally ill and should not be executed.

This.

Well for the record Lewis, your making it look like I said that, which I didn't.  Lewis' quote is from the article I posted, not from me.

Disappointing, Lewis.

It hadn't been my intention to mislead - Sorry for opening myself up for the impression.
I was just saying that I agree, have agreed since I first read details about the culprits, with what his lawyers are saying. Not that he "shouldn't" be executed from a moral personal pov, but that he is constitutionally ineligible for the death penalty. And that those who wanted him fried and pulled out all the stops to get it (all the way down from John Ashcroft) oughtn't to be. Getting an insane or innocent or retarded man to be killed by judicial process, for personal political gain, is murder in my book.

Fair enough...........I should have known you didn't mean to mislead.  Sorry my friend.

[Brandon H]

Yes.  Found guilty of murder (singular, though he's actually responsible for multiple) under VA law. 

That's one of the things that annoy me about cases involving people who killed multiple persons, such as Tim Mcveigh. Mcveigh was executed for killing something like 10 persons in a federal trial and the other 60 or were state crimes. Muhammad killed multiple persons but is set to be executed for only one.

The death penalty is one thing that I've always been on the fence on. It is used too much, but people who kill multiple persons such as this, child killers, or people who commit other acts such as a rape with a murder deserve the death penalty. But in some ways I wonder if it really accomplishes much. Yes, it eliminates the lower form of human being, but once locked up in prison for life, do they still pose an additional threat to society?

Some killers look at getting executed as martyrdom. The greater punishment would be to deny them that honor and not execute them.

Am I seriously the only one here who sees a possibility for rehabilitation?

We can turn this bastard into our own killing machine! Just lock him in a cold dark room and play this voice claiming to be Allah that commands him to kill whoever Rahm Emmanuel tells him too!

Okay enough sarcasm.
If we employ the use of an extremely well trained psychologist who somehow has the ability to mind control people we can turn this man into a social worker and he coudl plant trees and sh*t along the roads. Come on guys, this is America!

Someone actually mentioned to me we should send these types of people into military combat and tell them they can kill all the people they want.

[Stampever]

Am I seriously the only one here who sees a possibility for rehabilitation?

We can turn this bastard into our own killing machine! Just lock him in a cold dark room and play this voice claiming to be Allah that commands him to kill whoever Rahm Emmanuel tells him too!

Okay enough sarcasm.
If we employ the use of an extremely well trained psychologist who somehow has the ability to mind control people we can turn this man into a social worker and he coudl plant trees and sh*t along the roads. Come on guys, this is America!

Two possible outcomes:  The guy kills a lot of bad guys and we cheer.  The guy turns his gun at us, we kill him, and we cheer.

[Jake]

Yes, it eliminates the lower form of human being

The idea that most people who commit crimes do so because of moral defects is pretty offensive.

[pogo stick]

Yes. Burn in hell prick.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't think that your "garden-variety" murderer (yes, I realize that this term might be offensive, but you know what I mean)

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[Kaine for Senate '18]

Yes.

[Brandon H]

Yes, it eliminates the lower form of human being

The idea that most people who commit crimes do so because of moral defects is pretty offensive.

How else to you describe Muhammad's actions?

[Хahar 🤔]

Option 3

[Joe Republic]

No.  It's concerning that he has only received seven years of punishment for killing ten people.  Furthermore, it's also concerning that so many people support the death penalty because they believe that his punishment will somehow continue after he dies; i.e. that the phrase "burn in hell" is intended literally. 

Yeah, we're the same ilk who do hokus pokus things like offer Inks our prayers for his health......we're not of the congnoscenti like you and many others here. 

Apples and oranges.  Telling somebody that you're praying for them at least lets them know that you care about them and that you hope for the best.  Even though they're essentially just powerless words, it still helps them feel better psychologically.

But forcing the death of somebody because of a belief that it's only the start of their punishment is to rob everybody else of the chance to punish them sufficiently, and essentially lets them off the hook.

This is a far better solution for a multiple murderer:

He should he held in small cell until the rest of his miserable life. That's much worse than injection.

[Lunar]

I think we should only execute retarded people.  It seems more humane than killing philosophers, poets, and intellectuals.  Like what would you feel worse doing, killing a parrot that could talk in English or killing a parrot that could only squawk annoyingly, I know which one I would choose.

[Хahar 🤔]

I think we should only execute retarded people.  It seems more humane than killing philosophers, poets, and intellectuals.  Like what would you feel worse doing, killing a parrot that could talk in English or killing a parrot that could only squawk annoyingly, I know which one I would choose.

I feel bad for laughing.

[Mechaman]

I think we should only execute retarded people.  It seems more humane than killing philosophers, poets, and intellectuals.  Like what would you feel worse doing, killing a parrot that could talk in English or killing a parrot that could only squawk annoyingly, I know which one I would choose.

I feel bad for laughing.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Apples and oranges.  Telling somebody that you're praying for them at least lets them know that you care about them and that you hope for the best.  Even though they're essentially just powerless words, it still helps them feel better psychologically.

No Joe, you were making a poke at religion since I put "burn in hell" as an option....which is fine, but it's hardly apples and oranges when I call you on it.

[Franzl]

It is quite sad that the American sense of justice includes the state being allowed to murder its own citizens....no matter what they are accused and convicted of.

Not to mention I agree with Joe Republic, of course, that spending life behind bars is actually a much worse punishment for the convicted criminal.

(No offense GM )

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

It is quite sad that the American sense of justice includes the state being allowed to murder its own citizens....no matter what they are accused and convicted of.

Not to mention I agree with Joe Republic, of course, that spending life behind bars is actually a much worse punishment for the convicted criminal.

(No offense GM )

Never any taken on this subject with you or anyone, including Joe.....he just should have kept the religion jab on the proper board.

[Bono]

It is quite sad that the American sense of justice includes the state being allowed to murder its own citizens....no matter what they are accused and convicted of.

Not to mention I agree with Joe Republic, of course, that spending life behind bars is actually a much worse punishment for the convicted criminal.

(No offense GM )

Killing isn't always murder, and it's the people who decree the death sentence (via the jury) not the state.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

It is quite sad that the American sense of justice includes the state being allowed to murder its own citizens....no matter what they are accused and convicted of.

Not to mention I agree with Joe Republic, of course, that spending life behind bars is actually a much worse punishment for the convicted criminal.

(No offense GM )

Killing isn't always murder, and it's the people who decree the death sentence (via the jury) not the state.

That's correct.  A judge cannot impose a death sentence in a jury trial if the jurors can't agree or agree on life in  prison.  The only time the "state" can do it is when a defendant wants the "state" to be the trier of fact.

[Franzl]

Regardless, the state is responsible for allowing anything to be punished by death, and even if the verdict itself is reached by a jury, the prosecution represents the state, and the verdict is carried out by the state.

You can argue the state is only representative of the people....but it still is morally unacceptable to me.

[Scam of God]

Apples and oranges.  Telling somebody that you're praying for them at least lets them know that you care about them and that you hope for the best.  Even though they're essentially just powerless words, it still helps them feel better psychologically.

No Joe, you were making a poke at religion since I put "burn in hell" as an option....which is fine, but it's hardly apples and oranges when I call you on it.

God forbid anyone makes pokes at religion. That might be individualistic, and we can't have that.