Happy Armistice Day!

[The Mikado]

I hope that each of you will observe a moment of silence tomorrow at 11:00 AM.



Never forget.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's also Independence Day in Poland, btw

[Platypus]

I already observed the moment of silence for Rememberance Day.

[Хahar 🤔]

I shall observe it at 2 AM.

[titaniumtux]

W00t! Go Veterans!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm not sure if happy is exactly the right word

[Platypus]

I'm not sure if happy is exactly the right word

Yeah, its one of the awkward ones.

[k-onmmunist]

Rest in peace, and let us continue to hope that they died in the fields of France and Belgium for a better, more peaceful and free future for us all.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Posting this is sort of obligatory, so... (and if you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be posting in this thread)

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!–An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime...
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

[Hash]

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

I hope that each of you will observe a moment of silence tomorrow at 11:00 AM.

Did, was sleeping.

I'm not sure if happy is exactly the right word

That is the end of fights, so that is...

Oh, and, 'amusing' to hear Angela Merkel apologizing toward French for all the evil the Germans made to this people, as if Germans were the only ones to blame, especially for the 1st one.

Grey rainy day here for this, just one more free day for by far most of French I guess.

Also, good that France and Germany decided to turn it toward a commemoration of reconciliation rather than a victory...

[Scam of God]

The Kaiserreich was in the right in the war, and, had I lived at the time, I'd have wholeheartedly supported it.

[k-onmmunist]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

[Scam of God]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

I'd like to reply to that, but can't find the adequate words ("lolwhut?" will not do).

[Scam of God]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

I'd like to reply to that, but can't find the adequate words ("lolwhut?" will not do).

The Germans were the defenders, at least in spirit, of traditional European paganism. The Allies were Christian imperialists who justified the war effort with appeals to the Christian God.

But be my guest, socialist. Argue otherwise, as you surely will, as your Kingdom of God awaits all defenders of the faith.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

I'd like to reply to that, but can't find the adequate words ("lolwhut?" will not do).

The Germans were the defenders, at least in spirit, of traditional European paganism. The Allies were Christian imperialists who justified the war effort with appeals to the Christian God.

But be my guest, socialist. Argue otherwise, as you surely will, as your Kingdom of God awaits all defenders of the faith.

Wait what?

Oh the Irony of a left-wing libertarian defending The German Prussian Empire for all things. That little seed of Nazism (and a great many other things too).

Anyway it was a war both wrong and immoral but probably predestined and necessary. It was an event that as such sort of 'happened'; none of the leadership of individual nations except perhaps Germany Prussia wanted it and the argument that it was purely an imperialist war - at least in the way most people imagine - has been debunked (and if it was, then it backfired spectacularly on every country involved). It was though very much a product of 19th Century Liberal Civilization.

[Scam of God]

I would have been a concientous objector, had I lived at the time, but nevertheless, we should commemorate these brave men who gave their lives, no matter how disgusting and detestable the governments that sent them there.

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

I'd like to reply to that, but can't find the adequate words ("lolwhut?" will not do).

The Germans were the defenders, at least in spirit, of traditional European paganism. The Allies were Christian imperialists who justified the war effort with appeals to the Christian God.

But be my guest, socialist. Argue otherwise, as you surely will, as your Kingdom of God awaits all defenders of the faith.

Wait what?

Oh the Irony of a left-wing libertarian defending The German Prussian Empire for all things. That little seed of Nazism (and a great many other things too).

So? Am I supposed to abhor the Kaiserreich, merely because some of its Johnny-come-latelies misunderstood its basic essence as protector of the decentralized pagan state?

[k-onmmunist]

Let's not confuse Prussia/German Empire with Nazism, people. The Germans fought WW1 for autocratic Krupp-Kaiser militarism, not National Socialism.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Let's not confuse Prussia/German Empire with Nazism, people. The Germans fought WW1 for autocratic Krupp-Kaiser militarism, not National Socialism.

I'm not. Thus the "little seed" bit (okay, I admit in retrospect I shouldn't have included that) - the roots of Nazism were already there in the Kaiserreich. Just look at who actually ran the National Socialist state in the 1930s. Who fought the war; who ran the army? Who helped put the Nazis into power in the first place (sort of)?

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Umm, The Hohenzollerns were always quite strongly Lutheran. There was alot of Anti-Christianity in Germany; alot of it, mostly intellectual. But it was not embodied in the state. I don't know where you get this idea that the Empire was a pagan state from.

[Scam of God]

Umm, The Hohenzollerns were always quite strongly Lutheran. There was alot of Anti-Christianity in Germany; alot of it, mostly intellectual. But it was not embodied in the state. I don't know where you get this idea that the Empire was a pagan state from.

I know that it wasn't explicitly pagan - hence, "in spirit". But it was closer to it than the theocratized millions of the Allied forces.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Umm, The Hohenzollerns were always quite strongly Lutheran. There was alot of Anti-Christianity in Germany; alot of it, mostly intellectual. But it was not embodied in the state. I don't know where you get this idea that the Empire was a pagan state from.

I know that it wasn't explicitly pagan - hence, "in spirit". But it was closer to it than the theocratized millions of the Allied forces.

Haha, the theocratized France! Haha!

[Scam of God]

Umm, The Hohenzollerns were always quite strongly Lutheran. There was alot of Anti-Christianity in Germany; alot of it, mostly intellectual. But it was not embodied in the state. I don't know where you get this idea that the Empire was a pagan state from.

I know that it wasn't explicitly pagan - hence, "in spirit". But it was closer to it than the theocratized millions of the Allied forces.

Haha, the theocratized France! Haha!

Why else do you think they fought? Because Germany was "pagan", and hence anti-Christian. Don't forget that it turned widows into soap.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Umm, The Hohenzollerns were always quite strongly Lutheran. There was alot of Anti-Christianity in Germany; alot of it, mostly intellectual. But it was not embodied in the state. I don't know where you get this idea that the Empire was a pagan state from.

I know that it wasn't explicitly pagan - hence, "in spirit". But it was closer to it than the theocratized millions of the Allied forces.

Umm, you mean like France which had been running on and off anti-clerical campaigns (the campaign for secular education being the most important here) for the past 40 years and church and state had been separated in 1902.

Or like the Italy of whom the Pope was still a sworn enemy and still encouraged Catholics to ignore the system (or was this scrapped with Universal Suffrage? I can't quite remember; U. Suffrage only came in 1912 however and it took Mussolini to came amends with the Vatican. For all of his anti-religious rhetoric).

Or Britain which was seen by most Europeans of the period as one of the most progressive societies around, at least on the continent.

That isn't to say that religion was never a factor in all three countries. It was very significant - but I can't how you can call Germany a 'pagan' state fighting Theocratic masses when those theocratic masses came from countries like France - in ways more anti-religious than Germany was.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

The First World War was the last stand of the traditional, pagan European order against cosmopolitan Christianity. I'd never have fought, but I recognize the Kaiserreich's right to defend itself against religious imperialism.

But why would you support the Christian side?