Will Kucinich challenge Obama?

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I really don't know why he would.  Obama is the most liberal President since FDR.  Kucinich should realize that once you get into the Oval Office, things will never move as quickly as some would like, in particular, as quickly as some extreme leftists would like in this case.

Obama is as good as liberals are going to get for some time.

For once, Winfield, we agree completely.

[Badger]

He has to.  He is the only person who knows the secrets to world peace that the aliens imparted onto him.

Plus, I think his ridiculously hot wife deserves a turn as first lady.

Met them both when he came to speak at our county Democratic club breakfast a couple years ago. She's every bit as hot as on TV, and he obviously (and wisely) dotes on her. Particularly as the onetime "boy mayor" is about twice her age.

[Badger]

Obama is the most liberal president this nation has ever had.  I don't know where you're getting this idea that he has a pragmatic personality.  Nothing in his past or present fosters that notion about him.  He has never once shown any inclination to be a centrist, with the exception of a few times during the presidential campaign.  He even voted against Justice Roberts.  In 10 long months Obama has:

-tried to create an American socialist state, via healthcare
-given terrorists rights, and put them in criminal court
-spent more money than any single president in the history of this nation
-apologized for America in every single country he's visited, most recently declining to say whether he felt that dropping the atomic bomb on Japan was the right decisioSpenn
-sent the national guard to protect abortion mills after George Tiller the Baby Killer's death, while telling us all not to "jump to conclusions" regarding terrorist Hasan

I don't know where the pragmatism has revealed itself.  He has not sacrificed one single policy position or point. I don't think he even has the ability to be pragmatic.

Obama has done nothing, unfortunately, to move us toward a more Socialist health care system.  He couldn't even deliver a "robust public option".

How is moving people who have not been convicted of a crime into a criminal court, as opposed to a military court, Socialism?

Could you explain what you mean when you say Obama has spent more money in his 10 months as President than any President in U.S. history?  Has he spent more than Roosevelt, per capita?  I realize this is what Glenn Beck says is true...so you definitely have that argument in your arsenal.  But you might want to at least give some sort of mental ascent to the notion that other people, and not just liberals, reckon your definition of "spending" might be a little broad.  And again -- how is it that spending necessarily means Socialism anyway?

Can you cite one example of President Obama apologizing for any American action?  As to the atom bomb, can you name one sitting President in the last 40 years to officially declare the dropping of the a-bomb to have been the right decision?  When did Ronald Reagan travel to Japan and say this?  I remember George H.W. Bush vomiting on the Japanese ambassador, but I don't seem to recall him ever telling the Japanese -- or the press corps following him in Japan -- that we did the right thing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  (We did, of course.  But that diplomacy thingie yanno...)

Wait.  When did the POTUS call out the national guard to protect women's clinics from violence?  (I am not sure what an "abortion mill" is.  I know of women's clinics and hospitals where abortions are sometimes performed.)  Frankly, if he did call out the Guard for this...it was a good move.  What on earth, however, does this have to do with the shootings at Fort Hood?  Are you suggesting the President call out the National Guard to...erm...uh...well...I mean...that's sorta the whole idea of Fort Hood.  Soldiers and all.  Now, the fact that he told us not to jump to conclusions was probably because he didn't want well-armed patriot militias to get distracted from their true mission -- you know -- the one about refreshing the tree of liberty from time to time.  If they got all hot and bothered forming lynch mobs and going after anyone and everyone in a turban or wearing a veil, they would completely forget about the need to overthrow the New World Order the Democrats and the Illuminati are conspiring to bring out.

But even so, Az...not seeing anything even remotely resembling Socialism here.  Like I say...I wish.

Ok, first of all, you are right, Obama is socialist, but I did not say putting terrorists in criminal court = socialism.  At best the terrorist issue equals lilly-livered pacifism and at worst it is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

On healthcare, you do you realize that 2000 page Pelosi bill passed the House and they are going to put your "robust public option" back into the bill in conference.  The healthcare bill is another way of making individuals dependent upon the government, both middle class and poor, as the majority of people will lose their private healthcare and be forced upon the government program.  If they do not go onto this program, they will be fined and put into prison.  Pelosi herself has made televised remarks saying that that was a "fair" penalty.  Only the mega wealthy will have access to private insurance because it will be practically driven out of the market unless it caters to that crowd. 

Spending money in and of itself is not socialism, unless you add the tax component to it, and then it becomes voila! redistribution of wealth from the middle class and rich to the democrat minority groups (poor, black, gay, etc.).  You could make the argument that all taxes are socialist - but by the time Obama is finished, our country will have the single highest tax rates of all western nations.  By the way, Obama hasn't just spent more than each individual president, he has spent more than all of them combined.  Do a simple google search on that one - hundreds of articles at your fingertips.

UN Apology in September (and there's just about 1 per each country he's visited):
"Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. This has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction...America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy."

1. An abortion mill is a women's "clinic", planned parenthood center, etc.
2. He ordered the national guard out after the murder of George Tiller the Baby Killer (60,000 abortions)
3. It has to do with Fort Hood because of the passion with which he defends these left wing causes over the defense of our nation.  At the Fort Hood massacre speech, he first, had to thank people from the Interior Department and a "shout out to Dr. Joe, medicine pro".  Then he had to tell the conference that he was going to follow up on the native issues he was supposed to speak about and that it was a "top priority".  Finally, after two entire minutes of that, he was able to get to Fort Hood, in which he then tells us not to jump to conclusions. 

Gee, I wonder what he is passionate about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJ5GnAUDQc ?
or as passionately as he was when he jumped to a conclusion to say Officer Crowley "was probably acting stupid" when he arrested his buddy Gates?

Obama during the campaign asked us to judge him by the company he surrounds himself with.  Here's a few of them, all czars:

Van Jones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6xELjQPsuw
Cass Sunstein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoiHIbwRhSo
Carol Browner: an avowed socialist
John Holdren: another socialist

Oh AZMagic. I could spend hours, nay days, pointing out line by line byline why youy are factually incorrect and blinded by your rampant extremisism from reality.

Suffice to say, Jsojourner is completely right, and you are , as usual, an ignorant asshat.

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He won't be running. Obama has really locked up all of the institutional support financially, and Kucinich didn't do all that well on his two tries. In addition, that last run set him up for an accusation that he wasn't really paying attention to his district.

Yeah, but he still won his primary resoundingly (to my disappointment).

Welcome to the forum, fellow Ohio Dem!

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Obama is the most liberal president this nation has ever had.  I don't know where you're getting this idea that he has a pragmatic personality.  Nothing in his past or present fosters that notion about him.  He has never once shown any inclination to be a centrist, with the exception of a few times during the presidential campaign.  He even voted against Justice Roberts.  In 10 long months Obama has:

-tried to create an American socialist state, via healthcare
-given terrorists rights, and put them in criminal court
-spent more money than any single president in the history of this nation
-apologized for America in every single country he's visited, most recently declining to say whether he felt that dropping the atomic bomb on Japan was the right decisioSpenn
-sent the national guard to protect abortion mills after George Tiller the Baby Killer's death, while telling us all not to "jump to conclusions" regarding terrorist Hasan

I don't know where the pragmatism has revealed itself.  He has not sacrificed one single policy position or point. I don't think he even has the ability to be pragmatic.

Obama has done nothing, unfortunately, to move us toward a more Socialist health care system.  He couldn't even deliver a "robust public option".

How is moving people who have not been convicted of a crime into a criminal court, as opposed to a military court, Socialism?

Could you explain what you mean when you say Obama has spent more money in his 10 months as President than any President in U.S. history?  Has he spent more than Roosevelt, per capita?  I realize this is what Glenn Beck says is true...so you definitely have that argument in your arsenal.  But you might want to at least give some sort of mental ascent to the notion that other people, and not just liberals, reckon your definition of "spending" might be a little broad.  And again -- how is it that spending necessarily means Socialism anyway?

Can you cite one example of President Obama apologizing for any American action?  As to the atom bomb, can you name one sitting President in the last 40 years to officially declare the dropping of the a-bomb to have been the right decision?  When did Ronald Reagan travel to Japan and say this?  I remember George H.W. Bush vomiting on the Japanese ambassador, but I don't seem to recall him ever telling the Japanese -- or the press corps following him in Japan -- that we did the right thing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  (We did, of course.  But that diplomacy thingie yanno...)

Wait.  When did the POTUS call out the national guard to protect women's clinics from violence?  (I am not sure what an "abortion mill" is.  I know of women's clinics and hospitals where abortions are sometimes performed.)  Frankly, if he did call out the Guard for this...it was a good move.  What on earth, however, does this have to do with the shootings at Fort Hood?  Are you suggesting the President call out the National Guard to...erm...uh...well...I mean...that's sorta the whole idea of Fort Hood.  Soldiers and all.  Now, the fact that he told us not to jump to conclusions was probably because he didn't want well-armed patriot militias to get distracted from their true mission -- you know -- the one about refreshing the tree of liberty from time to time.  If they got all hot and bothered forming lynch mobs and going after anyone and everyone in a turban or wearing a veil, they would completely forget about the need to overthrow the New World Order the Democrats and the Illuminati are conspiring to bring out.

But even so, Az...not seeing anything even remotely resembling Socialism here.  Like I say...I wish.

Ok, first of all, you are right, Obama is socialist, but I did not say putting terrorists in criminal court = socialism.  At best the terrorist issue equals lilly-livered pacifism and at worst it is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

On healthcare, you do you realize that 2000 page Pelosi bill passed the House and they are going to put your "robust public option" back into the bill in conference.  The healthcare bill is another way of making individuals dependent upon the government, both middle class and poor, as the majority of people will lose their private healthcare and be forced upon the government program.  If they do not go onto this program, they will be fined and put into prison.  Pelosi herself has made televised remarks saying that that was a "fair" penalty.  Only the mega wealthy will have access to private insurance because it will be practically driven out of the market unless it caters to that crowd. 

Spending money in and of itself is not socialism, unless you add the tax component to it, and then it becomes voila! redistribution of wealth from the middle class and rich to the democrat minority groups (poor, black, gay, etc.).  You could make the argument that all taxes are socialist - but by the time Obama is finished, our country will have the single highest tax rates of all western nations.  By the way, Obama hasn't just spent more than each individual president, he has spent more than all of them combined.  Do a simple google search on that one - hundreds of articles at your fingertips.

UN Apology in September (and there's just about 1 per each country he's visited):
"Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. This has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction...America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy."

1. An abortion mill is a women's "clinic", planned parenthood center, etc.
2. He ordered the national guard out after the murder of George Tiller the Baby Killer (60,000 abortions)
3. It has to do with Fort Hood because of the passion with which he defends these left wing causes over the defense of our nation.  At the Fort Hood massacre speech, he first, had to thank people from the Interior Department and a "shout out to Dr. Joe, medicine pro".  Then he had to tell the conference that he was going to follow up on the native issues he was supposed to speak about and that it was a "top priority".  Finally, after two entire minutes of that, he was able to get to Fort Hood, in which he then tells us not to jump to conclusions. 

Gee, I wonder what he is passionate about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJ5GnAUDQc ?
or as passionately as he was when he jumped to a conclusion to say Officer Crowley "was probably acting stupid" when he arrested his buddy Gates?

Obama during the campaign asked us to judge him by the company he surrounds himself with.  Here's a few of them, all czars:

Van Jones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6xELjQPsuw
Cass Sunstein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoiHIbwRhSo
Carol Browner: an avowed socialist
John Holdren: another socialist

Oh AZMagic. I could spend hours, nay days, pointing out line by line byline why youy are factually incorrect and blinded by your rampant extremisism from reality.

Suffice to say, Jsojourner is completely right, and you are , as usual, an ignorant asshat.

Then do it wuss (two can play the name calling game).  I suggest you get typing.

Socialism, blah, blah, blah. Marxism, blah, blah, balh.

Why would I spend countless hours explaining point by point why you're wrong when Sojourner basically reiterated me words for me, and at the end you'd still be every bit as narrowminded an extremist as when I started? Utter waste o' time, as are your posts but for the comedy factor.