Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
September 21, 2014, 09:11:47 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
| |-+  International Elections (Moderator: PASOK Leader Hashemite)
| | |-+  today: elections in Greece
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Print
Author Topic: today: elections in Greece  (Read 12109 times)
dunn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3080


P
View Profile
« on: March 07, 2004, 04:54:31 am »
Ignore

It is regarded as the most significant since military rule ended in 1974 because of the Olympics, Cyprus peace talks and a changing of the guard to a younger generation of leaders.

The main choice is between two political dynasties that have dominated modern political life.

On the right is New Democracy conservative leader Costas Karamanlis, nephew of a former prime minister who led Greece out of military dictatorship.

On the left, is Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK) leader George Papandreou, grandson and son of former prime ministers, who is bidding to win the fourth consecutive election for the socialists since 1993.

What do you think?
Logged

Keep your eyes on the stars, and your feet on the ground - TR
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 05:01:20 am »
Ignore

Both parties are hard to tell from each other nowadays... not like the good old days in the '80's... *sighs*
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 06:11:50 am »
Ignore

Papandreaou hsa lived in Sweden and speaks excellent Swedish...that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge of Greek politics... Sad

He seems a little too pro-EU though.
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Platypus
hughento
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21428
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2004, 06:32:51 am »
Ignore

Is in Papandreaou who was born in Minnesota?
Logged

Umengus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1934
Belgium


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2004, 06:34:43 am »
Ignore

It's very tight...opinion polls suggests that right is before left with a very small gap: 1 or 2 points.

In the 2000 election, it was very tight too... Right tought have win but it was not...

Wait and see...
Logged

Re: France 2012: the official thread
Reply #622 on: July 25, 2011, 04:44:20 pm  

Quote from: Umengus on July 25, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

against Aubry, Sarkozy will win. Aubry is a very bad candidate for prime time : no charisma, no sympathy, muslim connection, stupid ideas,... and sarkozy is a good candidate...

but against hollande, sarkozy will lose."

Censured by REALPOLITIK due to "offensive content".

"It ought to be noted that there's no freedom of speech here." xahar
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2004, 06:45:40 am »
Ignore

Is in Papandreaou who was born in Minnesota?

I'm not sure, he's lived in the US though. As well as in Sweden.
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2004, 07:36:22 am »
Ignore

Y'know... Greek Politics used to be so polarised and entertaining... now look at it... *sighs*
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2004, 01:52:50 pm »
Ignore

Tweedle-Dum have beaten Tweedle-Dee by 5% (BBC)
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 01:53:26 pm »
Ignore

Tweedle-Dum have beaten Tweedle-Dee by 5% (BBC)

What? WHAT?
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2004, 01:58:26 pm »
Ignore

Tweedle Dum (ND) have beaten Tweedle Dee (PASOK) by about 5%
Both parties platforms were identical.
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2004, 02:02:55 pm »
Ignore

Tweedle Dum (ND) have beaten Tweedle Dee (PASOK) by about 5%
Both parties platforms were identical.


Oh, no Papandreaou then... Sad
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2004, 02:06:26 pm »
Ignore

In Greece politics has degenerated into a dynastic squabble... a Papandreaou will probably win in a few years time, followed by a Karamanlis... and so on.
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2004, 02:15:33 pm »
Ignore

In Greece politics has degenerated into a dynastic squabble... a Papandreaou will probably win in a few years time, followed by a Karamanlis... and so on.

Lol, yeah, i guess so...
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Emsworth
Lord Emsworth
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 9081


Political Matrix
E: 8.32, S: -7.22

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2004, 02:26:55 pm »
Ignore

CNN International has just reported that Papandreou has just made a concession speech, but that Karamanlis has not yet claimed victory.
Logged
Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon
htmldon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8876
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.03, S: -2.26

View Profile
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2004, 02:33:26 pm »
Ignore

Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley
Logged
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2004, 03:09:11 pm »
Ignore

Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley

That would be nice...but I wouldn't bet on it. The Swedish Conservatives have now moved so far left that it's embarassing even for us... Sad

Even if they win the next election there will be no conservative revolution.
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2004, 03:10:14 pm »
Ignore

The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
dunn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3080


P
View Profile
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2004, 03:47:50 pm »
Ignore

The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...

lol
Logged

Keep your eyes on the stars, and your feet on the ground - TR
Gustaf
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 26857


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

View Profile
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2004, 04:15:13 pm »
Ignore

The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...

The only difference between the SAP and the M in Sweden is that the SAP admit to being social democrats...well, maybe not even that soon enough... Sad
Logged

This place really has become a cesspool of degenerate whores...

Economic score: +0.9
Social score: -2.61

In MN for fantasy stuff, member of the most recently dissolved centrist party.
Platypus
hughento
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 21428
Australia


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2004, 12:13:34 am »
Ignore

The only difference between Labour and the Tories in the UK is that the Tories admit to being Conservative...

its the same in all countries with a two party system; one party ends up centrist and one whatever wing. Here the Democrats are centrist and the GOP conservative; in Canada its the Liberals, Australia Labour, Germany CDU, etc., it's rather sad Sad
Logged

Umengus
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1934
Belgium


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2004, 02:42:56 am »
Ignore

Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley

Don't forget Belgium, with a majority with socialist party (and liberals too...(it's amazing for people who don't know Belgium politics))

But in wallonie (Belgium has 3 great regions: Flandre, Brussel and wallonie), Socialist party has 40%. Liberals (center-right)has 27% and green (left) has 8% and social-catholics (center) has 15%. Wallonie is left! no conservative revolution here!
Logged

Re: France 2012: the official thread
Reply #622 on: July 25, 2011, 04:44:20 pm  

Quote from: Umengus on July 25, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

against Aubry, Sarkozy will win. Aubry is a very bad candidate for prime time : no charisma, no sympathy, muslim connection, stupid ideas,... and sarkozy is a good candidate...

but against hollande, sarkozy will lose."

Censured by REALPOLITIK due to "offensive content".

"It ought to be noted that there's no freedom of speech here." xahar
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2004, 08:16:46 am »
Ignore

The only difference between Labour and the Tories in the UK is that the Tories admit to being Conservative...

Aha... not true anymore... Labour are being more honest about being social democrats... while the Tories have come over all... well... Gingrich...
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2004, 08:20:59 am »
Ignore

I like Wallonia Smiley
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
only back for the worldcup
Lewis Trondheim
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 58778
India


View Profile
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2004, 08:32:50 am »
Ignore

I like Belgium.

But there's no Conservative Revolution in Greece, the swing was about 3%. And don't forget that the ND are in govermnet only because of the Election law, proportional elections would have lead to a coalition either of PASOK and ND or PASOK and some of Greece's left wing parties, KKE, Synapsismos and DIKKI.
Same goes for the 90's PASOK wins, of course.
Logged

"The secret to having a rewarding work-life balance is to have no life. Then it's easy to keep things balanced by doing no work." Wally



"Our party do not have any ideology... Our main aim is to grab power ... Every one is doing so but I say it openly." Keshav Dev Maurya
Sibboleth
Realpolitik
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 56619
Saint Helena


View Profile WWW
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2004, 08:37:30 am »
Ignore

Greece has a really, really weird electoral system...
Logged

"I have become entangled in my own data, and my conclusion stands in direct contradiction to the initial idea from which I started. Proceeding from unlimited freedom, I end with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that there can be no solution of the social formula except mine."
Pages: [1] 2 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines