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« on: March 07, 2004, 04:54:31 am »
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It is regarded as the most significant since military rule ended in 1974 because of the Olympics, Cyprus peace talks and a changing of the guard to a younger generation of leaders.

The main choice is between two political dynasties that have dominated modern political life.

On the right is New Democracy conservative leader Costas Karamanlis, nephew of a former prime minister who led Greece out of military dictatorship.

On the left, is Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK) leader George Papandreou, grandson and son of former prime ministers, who is bidding to win the fourth consecutive election for the socialists since 1993.

What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 05:01:20 am »
Both parties are hard to tell from each other nowadays... not like the good old days in the '80's... *sighs*
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 06:11:50 am »
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Papandreaou hsa lived in Sweden and speaks excellent Swedish...that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge of Greek politics... Sad

He seems a little too pro-EU though.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2004, 06:32:51 am »
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Is in Papandreaou who was born in Minnesota?
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2004, 06:34:43 am »
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It's very tight...opinion polls suggests that right is before left with a very small gap: 1 or 2 points.

In the 2000 election, it was very tight too... Right tought have win but it was not...

Wait and see...
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2004, 06:45:40 am »
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Quote from: hughento on March 07, 2004, 06:32:51 am
Is in Papandreaou who was born in Minnesota?

I'm not sure, he's lived in the US though. As well as in Sweden.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2004, 07:36:22 am »
Y'know... Greek Politics used to be so polarised and entertaining... now look at it... *sighs*
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2004, 01:52:50 pm »
Tweedle-Dum have beaten Tweedle-Dee by 5% (BBC)
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 01:53:26 pm »
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Quote from: Al on March 07, 2004, 01:52:50 pm
Tweedle-Dum have beaten Tweedle-Dee by 5% (BBC)

What? WHAT?
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2004, 01:58:26 pm »
Tweedle Dum (ND) have beaten Tweedle Dee (PASOK) by about 5%
Both parties platforms were identical.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2004, 02:02:55 pm »
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Tweedle Dum (ND) have beaten Tweedle Dee (PASOK) by about 5%
Both parties platforms were identical.


Oh, no Papandreaou then... Sad
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2004, 02:06:26 pm »
In Greece politics has degenerated into a dynastic squabble... a Papandreaou will probably win in a few years time, followed by a Karamanlis... and so on.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2004, 02:15:33 pm »
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Quote from: Al on March 07, 2004, 02:06:26 pm
In Greece politics has degenerated into a dynastic squabble... a Papandreaou will probably win in a few years time, followed by a Karamanlis... and so on.

Lol, yeah, i guess so...
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2004, 02:26:55 pm »
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CNN International has just reported that Papandreou has just made a concession speech, but that Karamanlis has not yet claimed victory.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2004, 02:33:26 pm »
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Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley
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Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley

That would be nice...but I wouldn't bet on it. The Swedish Conservatives have now moved so far left that it's embarassing even for us... Sad

Even if they win the next election there will be no conservative revolution.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2004, 03:10:14 pm »
The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2004, 03:47:50 pm »
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Quote from: Al on March 07, 2004, 03:10:14 pm
The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...

lol
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2004, 04:15:13 pm »
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Quote from: Al on March 07, 2004, 03:10:14 pm
The only difference between PASOK and ND is that ND admit to being conservatives...

The only difference between the SAP and the M in Sweden is that the SAP admit to being social democrats...well, maybe not even that soon enough... Sad
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2004, 12:13:34 am »
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The only difference between Labour and the Tories in the UK is that the Tories admit to being Conservative...

its the same in all countries with a two party system; one party ends up centrist and one whatever wing. Here the Democrats are centrist and the GOP conservative; in Canada its the Liberals, Australia Labour, Germany CDU, etc., it's rather sad Sad
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2004, 02:42:56 am »
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Quote from: htmldon on March 07, 2004, 02:33:26 pm
Hooray for Karamanlis and New Democracy!!!  The conservative revolution in Europe continues!  Next stop, Sweden? *pokes Gustaf* Smiley

Don't forget Belgium, with a majority with socialist party (and liberals too...(it's amazing for people who don't know Belgium politics))

But in wallonie (Belgium has 3 great regions: Flandre, Brussel and wallonie), Socialist party has 40%. Liberals (center-right)has 27% and green (left) has 8% and social-catholics (center) has 15%. Wallonie is left! no conservative revolution here!
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Quote from: Umengus on July 25, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

against Aubry, Sarkozy will win. Aubry is a very bad candidate for prime time : no charisma, no sympathy, muslim connection, stupid ideas,... and sarkozy is a good candidate...

but against hollande, sarkozy will lose."

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2004, 08:16:46 am »
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The only difference between Labour and the Tories in the UK is that the Tories admit to being Conservative...

Aha... not true anymore... Labour are being more honest about being social democrats... while the Tories have come over all... well... Gingrich...
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2004, 08:20:59 am »
I like Wallonia Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2004, 08:32:50 am »
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I like Belgium.

But there's no Conservative Revolution in Greece, the swing was about 3%. And don't forget that the ND are in govermnet only because of the Election law, proportional elections would have lead to a coalition either of PASOK and ND or PASOK and some of Greece's left wing parties, KKE, Synapsismos and DIKKI.
Same goes for the 90's PASOK wins, of course.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2004, 08:37:30 am »
Greece has a really, really weird electoral system...
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