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« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2009, 01:49:55 PM »


When did they put out this nonsense?  Talk about cutting your nose off.  Anyway...

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill; -- In general, "smaller government" is best.  However, there are aspects of the government that needs to be larger and other aspects that need to be removed all together.  Yes in regards to the national debt and deficits and taxes.  You can't oppose the stimulus bill 9 months after it was enacted.  However, the stimulus bill that was pasted was a complete waste of time, money, and effort, especially when those funds could have been used towards more beneficial long-term NATIONAL projects (since we are talking about federal funds and not state funds).

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care; -- Too general.  Market-based is best, but you need better (and more clear) government regulations.  All this nonsense about insurance companies denying patients coverage and care (for example) can be cleared by simply passing legislation saying insurance companies cannot deny the patients.

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation; -- Two separate issues.  Cap and trade, while "market-based" is a government program that impacts the ability for energy producers to produce in a free-market system.  However, since most of these providers are authorized local monopolies, you dealing with muddy waters to begin with.  With that said, I disagree.  Going back to point one and tying it in with the hydrogen initiative, this is where the funds spent on the worthless stimulus pet projects should have been divered to.  Building new nuclear reactors and hydrogen production sites would have created real, lasting jobs across the country and would provide a return on investment through taxes over the life-span of the power plants.

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check; -- Yes.  Card check is a stupid concept and only serves as a bullying ploy by the dying unions.

(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants; -- Yes.  The problem is the classification of "amnesty."  You have 10+ Million illegals running around the country right now.  Where does amnesty end and heavily penalizing illegals so they can buy their way into legal status or be deported begin?

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges; -- It can't be a military-recommended-only solution.  Stupid Steele.

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat; -- "effective action?"  Care to define that?

(8 ) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act; -- The states are the ones who should define what a marriage is.  The problem is when you start dealing with interstate commerce.  If one state recognizes gay marriage and the insurance companies in that state offer coverage for the couple, but they move to another state that doesn't recognize the marriage and/or can't obtain insurance coverage, the persons are left in limbo.  For this reason I support a national definition.

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and -- There shouldn't be government funding of abortions in any case (unless it happens on a military base), even if the person is on welfare.  It should be picked up by the state.  But even in that case, it should be provided in cases of rape, incest, or threat to mothers life.  Elective procedures should be out of pocket.

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership. -- Since I think the government has the right to limit certain types of weapons from general sales as well as establish screening regulations before obtaining a permit, this statement is too vauge to support.

I guess I'd be a bad republican.


Why 8 of the 10? Because Ronald Reagan once said "that someone who agreed with him 8 out of 10 times was his friend, not his opponent." Makes perfect sense.
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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2009, 02:13:28 PM »


That's very sad.

Most people I know support legal immigration.

What makes you oppose legal immigration.

Or is it that you support open borders?
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« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2009, 02:19:39 PM »


That's very sad.

Most people I know support legal immigration.

What makes you oppose legal immigration.

Or is it that you support open borders?

What do you propose we do with the illegals in the country now, CARL?  If not amnesty, what?  Do you think we have the rescources to toss them all out? 
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« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2009, 02:32:30 PM »


That's very sad.

Most people I know support legal immigration.

What makes you oppose legal immigration.

Or is it that you support open borders?

What do you propose we do with the illegals in the country now, CARL?  If not amnesty, what?  Do you think we have the rescources to toss them all out? 

First, I want to thank you for admitting the issue is amnesty and not trying some double-talk.

Second, let me further suggest that you argument consists of what logicians call the fallacy of the excluded middle.  To give you an example: simply because we do not catch all those who commit violent mala in se felonies does not mean we should stop seeking to apprehend, try and convict as many of such felons as is feasible.

Third, a gradualist approach is working at this time.  The number of illegal aliens in the United States id down from 2006 (when the Bush-McCain amnesty was proposed) for a number of reasons, including enforcement of laws which have been on the books for decades!  Unfortunately, such enforcement is NOT robust at this time, but can be largely implemented at relatively low cost (which is my solution).  If you want, I can go on to considerable length and detail describing this approach.

Fourth, there are still several hundred miles of the sourthern land border which the Obama administration admits is NOT under control.  Unfortunately, the budget for the current fiscal year does NOT provide for any additional security on the southern border (believe it or not, the expenditures are being sent to the Canadian land border).  To keep the situation from getting worse (which it will if amnesty is granted), lets really work to secure the border.
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« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2009, 02:37:18 PM »

7.5 out of 10, do we round up or does everyone with a 7.9999 or lower have to go become a Democrat?
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« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2009, 05:27:48 PM »

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Um... cap and trade is a market-based solution, idiots.

Its a government imposed tax, you idiot!

No, the carbon tax, which is the progressive solution, is a government imposed tax. Cap and trade is a conservative idea.
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« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2009, 05:30:21 PM »

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;


(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;

(8 ) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.


6 out of 10.
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« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2009, 05:30:32 PM »

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;

Yes

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Yes

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No

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Yes

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Partially No

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Partially Yes

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Mostly Yes (disagree with abortion part)

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Yes



5.75 out of 10

Better register with the Green party then!
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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2009, 06:03:41 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2009, 06:37:51 PM by Torie »

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Um... cap and trade is a market-based solution, idiots.

Its a government imposed tax, you idiot!

No, the carbon tax, which is the progressive solution, is a government imposed tax. Cap and trade is a conservative idea.

Whether cap and trade is a tax or not, it raises the cost of carbon based energy, because an artificial scarcity is created. It is only justified if 1) carbon really is a negative externality that should be paid for, 2) the economy right now can stand the shock of a critical set of inputs increasing in price due to a government fiat mandated scarcity, and 3) it really will make some affective difference given that China and India are just discovering their love of big time energy consumption.
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« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2009, 06:24:49 PM »

Its easy for upper class people and liberals to oppose number 5. Come live a day in my shoes and see what kind of an economic genocide you are creating with your political correctness.
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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2009, 06:39:32 PM »

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care;

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;


(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;


(8 ) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion;

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.



Am I a good Republican? I agree with 7/10, bolded is what I agree. 5 and 10 were a bit vague, so I left them unbolded. I support the right to bear arms, just support background checks. As for Immigration, I support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and wish to make the English language an official language.

Somebody needs to answer my question.... Sad
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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2009, 07:14:36 PM »

Its easy for upper class people and liberals to oppose number 5. Come live a day in my shoes and see what kind of an economic genocide you are creating with your political correctness.

Awe, isn't that adorable? The wittle populist is melding working-class xenophobia with nationalist populism in an attempt to create an alterno-socialism that appeals to workers without having to do anything about their economic situation.

Give it up, friend. Conservatism and populism of any stripe do not mix.
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« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2009, 07:23:21 PM »

9 out of 10!
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2009, 07:25:15 PM »


What was the one exception?
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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2009, 07:30:47 PM »

5/10. I was close.
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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2009, 07:35:14 PM »

Its easy for upper class people and liberals to oppose number 5. Come live a day in my shoes and see what kind of an economic genocide you are creating with your political correctness.
My Dad works in the construction industry as a worker and is white. He supports a path of citizenship for illegal immigrants. It's pretty easy not be xenophobic even if it goes against your interests. So basically I'm "living a day in your shoes" every day because he's out of work. Not that your claims about amnesty creating an economic genocide are true.
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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2009, 07:43:49 PM »

Its easy for upper class people and liberals to oppose number 5. Come live a day in my shoes and see what kind of an economic genocide you are creating with your political correctness.

Economic genocide?

If there weren't jobs there, people wouldn't come.
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« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2009, 07:57:10 PM »

Stupid concept and a ridiculous list created by those that make up the worst aspects of the Republican Party.  Embarrassing to say the least.
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« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2009, 08:00:23 PM »

Stupid concept and a ridiculous list created by those that make up the worst aspects of the Republican Party.  Embarrassing to say the least.

I love how they dropped in the Reagan quote at the end. Good for a few laughs since he wouldn't even fit their 'standards' now, not that it improves my opinion of him.
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« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2009, 11:19:47 PM »


Apparently that was my score, and it says something about why my political anchor is not at present moored as it were.
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« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2009, 11:49:06 PM »


Apparently that was my score, and it says something about why my political anchor is not at present moored as it were.

I think it mostly says something about how gay that list of principles is. 
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2009, 12:38:33 AM »

(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill; - 100% Yes

(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care; - Yes

(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation; - Yes

(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check; - Yes

(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants; - Yes

(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges; - Yes

(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat; - Yes

(8 ) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act; - No

(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and - Yes, especially the abortion part, its murder

(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership. - Yeppers

9/10, not bad
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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2009, 01:08:46 AM »

7.5/10
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« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2009, 02:45:40 AM »

1. no
2. no
3. uh, cap and trade is a market-based energy reform. So I guess no.
4. no
5. I think illegals who are already here should be allowed to stay, provided they are willing to learn English, pay a fine, and have committed no crimes in addition to entering the U.S. illegally. I favor an increase in legal immigration and an overhaul of the system in a way that would increase immigration overall, so probably no by the standards of the people who designed this test.
6. somewhat agree, we can't leave Iraq and Afghanistan, but putting in more American troops who don't understand the language and culture is not the best option. Iraq's turn-around had relatively little to do with the surge, and Afghanistan would be doing far better had we not gone into Iraq. I'll say somewhat agree.
7. No, since the way the question is phrased, "effective action" seems to be a code word for military action.
8. no
9. no
10. yes, but gun control is a dead issue this is a trite scare tactic

so 1.5/10
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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2009, 07:08:00 AM »

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Why should anyone believe you?  You are against Obama much more than you are for smaller govt.

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Again, you're just opposing Obama, you don't really care.

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Bull sh**t.  Close the border and let a lot more people in the legal way.  I don't care if immigrants assimilate or not.  I don't care if they stay or go home.  But we can't allow people to come and go as they please.  Borders must be defined and protected.

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..and just like Dems you support keeping thousands of troops in Germany, UK and Japan (and likely Iraq and Afghanistan too) indefinitely.

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Anti-freedom things such as this is what will always keep me away from the GOP.

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of course

I agree with them and (sort of) believe them on 4 of the 10.  I agree, but think they are full of sh**t on another 4.  One is unimportant to me and one is an abomination to liberty.
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