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« Reply #125 on: May 08, 2010, 12:52:35 PM »

I find it quite amusing that something like nuclear power is seriously up for debate.
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« Reply #126 on: May 08, 2010, 01:48:13 PM »
« Edited: May 08, 2010, 01:51:55 PM by Old Europe »

Well if the result is as we expect at this point.....what could be the alternative if the CDU do not agree to those Green demands?

Grand coalition? I suppose a possibility....but for some reason I tend to consider it terribly unlikely in NRW.

Well, SPIEGEL Online went out on a limb yesterday and declared the Grand coalition the most likely coalition for NRW... even beating the CDU/Green option.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,693339,00.html

Their ranking was something like this:
1) CDU/SPD
2) CDU/Greens
3) CDU/FDP or SPD/Greens
4) SPD/Greens/FDP or SPD/Greens/Left
5) CDU/Greens/FDP


Personally, I would say it's more like this:
1) CDU/Greens or CDU/SPD (this also includes SPD/CDU if the SPD manages to pull an upset)
2) SPD/Greens
3) who gives a sh**t about the rest? Cheesy
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« Reply #127 on: May 08, 2010, 11:52:05 PM »

My prediction:

SPD: 36.5%
CDU: 36.1%
GRE: 10.2%
FDP: 6.7%
LEFT: 5.1%
PIR: 2.3%
NAZIS (NPD/REP/ProNRW): 2.1%
Others: 1.0%

Turnout: ~ 65% (8.6 Mio. votes)

Coalition emerging: SPD-CDU
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« Reply #128 on: May 09, 2010, 12:13:58 AM »

German voters poised to punish Merkel party over Greece

By Deborah Cole (AFP)



Left = Hannelore Kraft (SPD), Right = Prime Minister Jürgen Rüttgers (CDU)

BERLIN — Voters in Germany's most populous state go to the polls Sunday with Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives fearing a popular backlash over a colossal emergency bail-out for Greece.

Just two days after the German parliament approved the loan package, the 13.5 million voters in the western region of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) will be electing a new legislature.

Polling stations open at 0600 GMT and are due to close at 1600 GMT, when exit polls will be released.

The timing could hardly be worse for Merkel's Christian Democrats, who have ruled NRW in an alliance with the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) since 2005, and a defeat could also cost her her majority in the upper house of parliament.

Most Germans oppose the 22.4 billion euros (28.6 billion dollars) in loans over three years to debt-wracked Greece as Germany grapples with its own dire fiscal straits.

NRW is ruled by the same centre-right coalition with Merkel has in Berlin, making the poll a potentially damaging referendum on her government eight months after she won re-election.

The state is also home to the Ruhr rust belt region whose economic misery has deepened in the recession.

A poll published Saturday showed that 21 percent of NRW voters said the Greek bailout would affect their ballot decision, according to the YouGov survey for the daily Bild.

"The issue has electrified people as seldom before and is going to play a determining role" in the election, said Klaus-Peter Schoeppner, head of the polling institute Emnid, in the online edition of the Rheinische Post.

Underlining the poll's importance, Merkel scheduled 15 personal appearances in NRW and staged a media blitz this week to defend the aid to Greece.

But the chancellor has also faced criticism in Germany and abroad of dragging her feet over aid to Greece and thereby exacerbating the crisis.

After months of falling popularity, the five-year-old centre-right coalition in the state could win 43 to 45 percent of the vote, according to polls.

The rival Social Democrats (SPD), who held power in the state for four decades until 2005, and their preferred partners, the Greens, are scoring between 45 and 47 percent.

The SPD abstained in Friday's vote on the Greek loan package, a tactical move that analysts said could pay off in NRW.

Beyond control of the NRW state legislature, the dominance of Merkel's coalition in the Bundesrat upper house also hangs in the balance.

Currently, the conservatives and the FDP hold 37 of the 69 seats in the Bundesrat, just over the 35 votes needed for an absolute majority. Losing NRW would deprive the centre-right of six seats.

That would effectively axe a drive by the FDP to cut income taxes by 16 billion euros from 2012 -- a move many conservatives, and many voters, oppose as fiscally irresponsible in light of Germany's parlous public finances.

It would also give the centre-left the power to block health care reforms planned by the coalition, and to restore an initiative to mothball the country's nuclear reactors against the wishes of the Merkel government.

The vote's impact would be long-lasting as well as it is the only state election planned this year.

Political scientist Gerd Langguth of the University of Bonn said it was difficult to exaggerate importance of the election for the German political landscape.

"For months, federal politics has been nearly at a standstill because all decisions have been taken with a view to this election, or postponed until after it takes place," he said.

"North Rhine-Westphalia has always been, historically speaking, a seismograph for national politics."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKrHsUVz15PnElg-s7gU7PeZ45zQ
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« Reply #129 on: May 09, 2010, 04:04:49 AM »

WDR`s coalition of SPD and CDU:



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« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2010, 04:10:30 AM »


Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2010, 04:18:04 AM »


Factually incorrect, since it isn't a given that Rüttgers would be part of a Grand coalition. Tongue
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« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2010, 05:12:21 AM »

My prediction:

SPD: 36.5% 37.1%
CDU: 36.1% 35.0%
GRE: 10.2% 11.5%
FDP: 6.7% 6.0%
LEFT: 5.1% 5.5%
PIR: 2.3% 2.5%
NAZIS (NPD/REP/ProNRW): 2.1% 1.8%
Others: 1.0% 0.6%

Coalition emerging: SPD-CDU SPD-Green (I think it might be just barely enough under those circumstances, even if the Left gets in.)
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« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2010, 05:27:56 AM »

Hopefully our sister party is as underestimated in the polls as we just were.
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« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2010, 05:31:05 AM »

Hopefully our sister party is as underestimated in the polls as we just were.

Well in recent German elections (except for the federal election last year....but turnout was just dreadful), the CDU has been overestimated greatly at times....and the SPD underestimated to a lesser extent.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the SPD in front of the CDU in terms of votes.
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« Reply #135 on: May 09, 2010, 06:00:45 AM »


Turnout looks as about the same as in 2005, the internet says.
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« Reply #136 on: May 09, 2010, 07:46:01 AM »

Alright, this one looks like an alien:



That's Rüttgers + the leader of the Left
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« Reply #137 on: May 09, 2010, 08:21:49 AM »

German voters poised to punish Merkel party over Greece

Once again, the international media shows how clueless it is when it comes to foreign elections!
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« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2010, 10:14:11 AM »

Polls close in 45 minutes!
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« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2010, 10:18:21 AM »

Turnout is said to be low.

50% up to 4pm.


Is the traditional assumption valid that low turnout helps the CDU? I would imagine that it is especially true in NRW, to be honest.
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« Reply #140 on: May 09, 2010, 10:24:35 AM »

Turnout is said to be low.

50% up to 4pm.


Is the traditional assumption valid that low turnout helps the CDU? I would imagine that it is especially true in NRW, to be honest.

Well, but there are good reasons for CDU voters to be frustrated these days.
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« Reply #141 on: May 09, 2010, 10:27:56 AM »

Turnout is said to be low.

50% up to 4pm.


Is the traditional assumption valid that low turnout helps the CDU? I would imagine that it is especially true in NRW, to be honest.

Well, but there are good reasons for CDU voters to be frustrated these days.

Yeah that is true enough.

At this point, I don't even know what I want to happen. Quite honestly, even though I couldn't vote SPD if I lived in NRW (mainly because of education policy), I really really would like to see SPD/Green obtain a majority on their own again. It would be a nice symbol to have that (and show that they are at least somewhat viable without the Left).

On a side note, isn't it funny that people voting Left today are probably doing the one thing that is most likely to keep the CDU in govenment? Smiley
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« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2010, 10:59:29 AM »

Live Stream from N-TV:

http://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/livestream

Exit Poll in 1 minute.
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« Reply #143 on: May 09, 2010, 11:00:40 AM »

Happy faces at the SPD headquarters ... Smiley
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« Reply #144 on: May 09, 2010, 11:00:52 AM »

ARD EXIT POLL

CDU 34.5
SPD 34.5
Grüne 12.5
FDP 6.5
Linke 6.0
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« Reply #145 on: May 09, 2010, 11:01:29 AM »
« Edited: May 09, 2010, 11:04:23 AM by Senator Hans-im-Glück »

Exit Polls for NRW:

18:00 (ARD)

CDU   34,5
SPD   34,5
GREEN   12,5
FDP   6,5
LEFT   6,0

18:00 (ZDF)

CDU   34
SPD   35
GREEN  12,5
FDP   6,5
LEFT   5,5
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« Reply #146 on: May 09, 2010, 11:01:48 AM »

CDU/Green is one seat short!
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« Reply #147 on: May 09, 2010, 11:03:25 AM »

This is just an exit poll....both SPD/Green and CDU/Green are one seat short......it'll be a long night Smiley
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« Reply #148 on: May 09, 2010, 11:05:11 AM »

The good news is that CDU/FDP is D-E-D DEAD! that means no more majority for Merkey in the Bundesrat - so all those crazy fiscal policies cooked up by the FDP will be dead on arrival.
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« Reply #149 on: May 09, 2010, 11:05:24 AM »

The ZDF see a Red-green majority
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