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« Reply #300 on: June 17, 2010, 02:21:42 PM »

FDP at 5%? Christ, haha.
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« Reply #301 on: June 17, 2010, 08:15:10 PM »


The worlds smallest violin is playing for that horrible little party!!
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« Reply #302 on: June 18, 2010, 02:27:29 PM »

New Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll, released today:

SPD: 34%
CDU/CSU: 32%
Greens: 16%
Left: 11%
FDP: 3%
Others: 4%

Government: 35%
Opposition: 61%
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« Reply #303 on: June 18, 2010, 02:29:45 PM »

Lol, oh wow. That's the first SPD lead in a credible poll since when, exactly?

Just a reminder. The FDP wasn't polling any better in the mid 90s. I doubt we'll get rid of it just yet.
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« Reply #304 on: June 18, 2010, 02:32:39 PM »

New Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll, released today:

SPD: 34%
CDU/CSU: 32%
Greens: 16%
Left: 11%
FDP: 3%
Others: 4%

Government: 35%
Opposition: 61%

This would be a dream for me, but I'm 100% sure that never happen.
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« Reply #305 on: June 18, 2010, 02:33:05 PM »

Ooh, wait a sec. Where'd you get these numbers from?

election.de and wahlrecht.de both have their today poll as
CDU 33
SPD 31
Greens 15
Left 11
FDP 5
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« Reply #306 on: June 18, 2010, 02:35:25 PM »

Ooh, wait a sec. Where'd you get these numbers from?

election.de and wahlrecht.de both have their today poll as
CDU 33
SPD 31
Greens 15
Left 11
FDP 5

I googled it:

http://www.sr-online.de/nachrichten/29/1077582.html
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« Reply #307 on: June 18, 2010, 02:36:23 PM »

Ahh, right. Forschungsgruppe Wahlen. The guys who give their weighted figures the limelight but also release the unweighted (or just not as strongly massaged, not sure) figures.
The ones I quoted are the limelight figures; yours are the unweighted ones.
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« Reply #308 on: June 18, 2010, 03:53:38 PM »

SPD and Greens would have a relatively solid majority with those unweighted numbers from FGW. Especially since the FDP doesn't win any seats. Cheesy Say hello to Chancellor Gabriel and foreign minister Trittin.

These unweighted numbers wouldn't come true in an actual election though.
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« Reply #309 on: June 23, 2010, 01:37:01 AM »

New Forsa poll:

CDU/CSU: 30% (-4)
SPD: 27% (+4)
Greens: 18% (+7)
Left: 12% (nc)
FDP: 5% (-10)
Others: 8% (+2)

Government: 35%
Opposition: 57%
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« Reply #310 on: June 23, 2010, 07:51:32 AM »

I'd probably be voting FDP at this point in time....just to make sure they get in.

I'm not particularly happy with them at the moment, though.
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« Reply #311 on: June 23, 2010, 09:08:47 AM »

I'm not particularly happy with them at the moment, though.

Considering that they're polling around 5% I think that's a given Tongue
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« Reply #312 on: June 24, 2010, 02:09:47 PM »

Meanwhile, the Free Voters announced their support for Gauck. They are normally an Independent Center-Right leaning group. Also, a handful of FDP-electors support Gauck (who was involved in a bad traffic accident recently, where a man was severely hit by Gauck`s driver).

Still, the CDU-CSU-FDP electors should have a majority for Wulff, expecially because the Left will vote for their own candidate.
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« Reply #313 on: June 24, 2010, 09:57:45 PM »

I don't think it matters that the Left party will vote for their own candidate. To be President you need an absolute majority and there could be multiple ballots. I suspect that after the Left candidate gets drops after the first ballot - all those votes will go to Gauck on the second ballot.
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« Reply #314 on: June 25, 2010, 04:01:22 AM »
« Edited: June 25, 2010, 04:02:59 AM by Old Europe »

I don't think it matters that the Left party will vote for their own candidate. To be President you need an absolute majority and there could be multiple ballots. I suspect that after the Left candidate gets drops after the first ballot - all those votes will go to Gauck on the second ballot.

A Jochimsen withdrawal directly after the first ballot is out of the question. There was some debate within the Left Party whether to withdraw her during a third ballot but the majority opinion was to keep Jochimsen in the race even then. Of course, it's entirely possible that they'll reconsider their position if it comes to that. Or maybe a split vote among the Left's delegates will occur. But Wulff has to miss a majority in the first two rounds first.

You have to understand that Joachim Gauck is the Left's nemesis. They basically see him as the German version of Joe McCarthy. Tongue
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« Reply #315 on: June 25, 2010, 12:59:27 PM »

You technically can't drop out between ballots. Of course there can be backroom deals etc, but nothing official.

Pretty obvious that Jochimsen won't get all of the Left vote on the first round... and very likely less than half of it in a possible third round. (Note that no majority is required in the third round.)

The Left's also a little miffed about not being asked to join in in nominating the opposition candidate, of course.
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« Reply #316 on: June 28, 2010, 12:29:26 AM »

New Emnid poll:

Gauck: 42%
Wulff: 36%

Women:

Wulff: 41%
Gauck: 32%

Men:

Gauck: 53%
Wulff: 31%

Who do you expect to win the June 30 Presidential election ?

Wulff: 50%
Gauck: 40%

http://www.bild.de/BILD/politik/2010/06/27/bundespraesident-wahl/joachim-gauck-mehrheit-christian-wulff.html

Why this big gender gap and why are women more likely to vote for Wulff ?
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« Reply #317 on: June 29, 2010, 10:05:25 AM »
« Edited: June 29, 2010, 10:16:05 AM by Old Europe »

FDP drops below 5% for the first time... well, since when, actually? 1998?

EDIT: Ah, the FDP had dropped below 5% in late 2002 in the aftermath of the Möllemann scandal.


Forsa, 6/29

CDU/CSU 32%
SPD 27%
Greens 18%
Left 11%
FDP 4%

Since the FDP is eliminated, majority for SPD/Greens
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« Reply #318 on: June 29, 2010, 05:30:21 PM »

"FDP drops below 5% for the first time."

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!!
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« Reply #319 on: June 30, 2010, 12:18:05 AM »

President vote provides test for Germany's Merkel

By VERENA SCHMITT-ROSCHMANN (AP)

BERLIN — Germany's president traditionally has little political influence, but the election Wednesday of a new head of state has turned into a challenge for Chancellor Angela Merkel's troubled government.

Merkel's center-right coalition has struggled since it took office in October — hit by constant squabbling over policy and forced by the eurozone debt crisis to push through an austerity drive and unpopular rescue packages for Germany's European partners.



The contest for the presidency, a largely ceremonial but symbolically important job, has added another layer to its troubles — fueling speculation in recent weeks that a loss for Merkel's candidate could push it to the brink of collapse.

"Angela Merkel is in the midst of her political career's worst crisis," political scientist Gerd Langguth wrote in the Welt am Sonntag newspaper last weekend.

That crisis climaxed when President Horst Koehler, nominated by Merkel in 2004, abruptly stepped down May 31. Koehler's move mystified many; he said only that he felt unduly criticized for an interview he gave on the German military's role abroad.

In any case, the loss of a president whom she chose and who was only one year into his second five-year term was seen as a major blow to Merkel, adding to her own bumpy second-term start.

"The unpopular Greece-euro decisions ... and the budget cuts, the disappearance of a president — handling this would be difficult for anyone," Langguth wrote.

"And this week, the threat of an unpredictable secret presidential ballot comes on top of it all," said Langguth, who has published biographies on both Merkel and Koehler.

The German president is elected by a special assembly of 1,244 representatives — half federal lawmakers, the other half nominated by state parliaments.

On paper, Merkel's coalition has a comfortable majority, with 644 seats. Leaders of her coalition agreed on a joint candidate — Lower Saxony state governor Christian Wulff, 51, a deputy leader of her conservative party.

Still, Merkel's coalition has struggled to close ranks in the face of a challenge from an opposition candidate widely viewed as more exciting than clean-cut career politician Wulff, and it risks losing face in Wednesday's vote.

Some center-right assembly members have said they think rival Joachim Gauck, 70, is a better candidate — a widely respected former East German human rights activist who might have more to offer in terms of moral authority than Wulff.

Vice Chancellor Guido Westerwelle said Monday that there are only three to five dissenters, but the opposition Social Democrats and Greens are working hard to drum up support for Gauck.

"I think there could be enough (support) for Gauck," Greens parliamentary leader Renate Kuenast said on German radio.

The Social Democrats and Greens have only 462 seats and are far from their own majority, but uncertainty in the secret ballot is enough to create anxiety.

The third opposition group, the Left Party, has nominated little-known lawmaker Luc Jochimsen. Many of its members have little time for Gauck, who after reunification oversaw the files of East Germany's secret police, but may be tempted to back him to embarrass Merkel.

Failing to drum up full support for Wulff might undermine Merkel's authority further, said Nils Diederich, a political scientist at Berlin's Free University.

"It is a symbolic competition, and it is important for the coalition to come in first," he said.

Merkel's success or failure will likely be measured by the number of ballots it takes to elect Wulff. A president can be elected by simple majority if no one wins an absolute majority in the first two ballots.

If a second or third ballot is needed, "that would be a small defeat for the coalition," Diederich said — but he added that, even then, Merkel likely wouldn't resign.

If, on the other hand, Merkel's candidate wins in the first ballot, it might actually turn things around for her, Diederich added.

"If (Merkel) pushes this through, it will be marked off and over with."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j8YEhOT8PBBYilOrHOw-AlnQKDxwD9GL15F00
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« Reply #320 on: June 30, 2010, 02:53:58 AM »

There´s also a new Berlin poll by Forsa:

State Elections (Fall 2011)

SPD: 27% (-4%)
Greens: 25% (+12%)
CDU: 19% (-2%)
Left: 17% (+4%)
FDP: 3% (-5%)
Others: 9% (-5%)

Left: 69%
Right: 22%

Federal Elections

Greens: 25% (+8%)
SPD: 25% (+5%)
Left: 20% (nc)
CDU: 20% (-3%)
FDP: 4% (-8%)
Others: 6% (-2%)

Left: 70%
Right: 24%
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« Reply #321 on: June 30, 2010, 05:47:38 AM »

One of the many reasons I hate Berlin...
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« Reply #322 on: June 30, 2010, 07:17:59 AM »

First ballot result

Wulff 600
Gauck 499
Jochimsen 126
Rennicke 3
Abstentions 13

No majority for Wulff, second ballot necessary
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« Reply #323 on: June 30, 2010, 07:40:44 AM »

Luc getting 2 more electoral votes than the Left has electors ?

Interesting ...

Still don`t see how Gauck can win this, except the 2nd ballot being about the same and the 3rd with the Left breaking heavily for him ...
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« Reply #324 on: June 30, 2010, 07:43:18 AM »

I wouldn't say Gauck is gone yet....the two things you mentioned could happen Tender Smiley
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