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President Marokai
Marokai Blue
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Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #75 on:
November 30, 2009, 11:11:25 pm »
Quote from: Senator MaxQue on November 30, 2009, 02:09:23 am
Vepres made a valid point, education cost is making than it is harder for lower classes to climb the social ladder.
But his solution, my God, it sounds like.. like.. So-, Soc-,
Socialism.
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Quote from: 後援会 on August 26, 2012, 12:29:57 am
I do not want my children to be integrated into a pro-homosexual discourse
Vepres
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Posts: 8146
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E: 6.26, S: -7.39
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #76 on:
November 30, 2009, 11:39:58 pm »
Quote from: Sen. Marokai Blue, PPT on November 30, 2009, 11:11:25 pm
Quote from: Senator MaxQue on November 30, 2009, 02:09:23 am
Vepres made a valid point, education cost is making than it is harder for lower classes to climb the social ladder.
But his solution, my God, it sounds like.. like.. So-, Soc-,
Socialism.
I'm not as Republican as you think I am
Marokai, let's agree to disagree so you can get on to your usual multi-page argument with NCYankee
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LOL, Failure
Quote from: Vepres on October 31, 2010, 02:21:38 pm
Alright, if Republicans gain less than 75 seats, I'll prominently display my failure in my signature.
afleitch
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Posts: 20140
Political Matrix
E: 2.45, S: -8.17
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #77 on:
December 01, 2009, 05:55:46 am »
Okay. Well that was 5 pages of fun wasn't it
Lets pull back a bit and remember this is Atlasia. For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
This system is designed to play to the strengths and weaknesses in Atlasia and in its current tax system. The GM reports it would raise revenue - check. It maintains 0% taxation for the poorest that we have had for 2 years - check. It allows us to balance the costs of our extended welfare system and hopefully pay down some debt - check. I can't oppose this bill because it adresses what
Atlasia
needs (and Atlasia is a vastly different place from America)
It has my support.
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President Marokai
Marokai Blue
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Posts: 16073
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #78 on:
December 01, 2009, 06:00:58 am »
Quote from: afleitch on December 01, 2009, 05:55:46 am
Okay. Well that was 5 pages of fun wasn't it
Lets pull back a bit and remember this is Atlasia. For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
This system is designed to play to the strengths and weaknesses in Atlasia and in its current tax system. The GM reports it would raise revenue - check. It maintains 0% taxation for the poorest that we have had for 2 years - check. It allows us to balance the costs of our extended welfare system and hopefully pay down some debt - check. I can't oppose this bill because it adresses what
Atlasia
needs (and Atlasia is a vastly different place from America)
It has my support.
I tried very hard to address you and Franzl's concerns, and was hoping I could have both of your backing, and I'm very happy that this bill has that. Thank you both very much.
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Quote from: 後援会 on August 26, 2012, 12:29:57 am
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Јas
Jas
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Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #79 on:
December 01, 2009, 06:36:25 am »
I'm interested in the separate provisions for tax rates for marrieds.
I'm not greatly inclined towards having tax incentives for marriage anyway but I raise the point particularly because, so far as I thought, Atlasia doesn't recognise marriage.
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Funny 'cause it's true:
Quote from: Gustaf on April 03, 2007, 08:54:07 am
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.
I left.
Franzl
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Posts: 20473
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #80 on:
December 01, 2009, 06:57:12 am »
Quote from: Jas on December 01, 2009, 06:36:25 am
I'm interested in the separate provisions for tax rates for marrieds.
I'm not greatly inclined towards having tax incentives for marriage anyway but I raise the point particularly because, so far as I thought, Atlasia doesn't recognise marriage.
I believe Atlasia issues civil unions to any two adults, right?
I suppose we could change the wording
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I've lost interest in the forum and I've wasted far too much time here.
To those I consider forum friends, it's been nice and I hope to keep contact in some form.
Cheers.
Јas
Jas
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Posts: 9627
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #81 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:03:40 am »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 01, 2009, 06:57:12 am
Quote from: Jas on December 01, 2009, 06:36:25 am
I'm interested in the separate provisions for tax rates for marrieds.
I'm not greatly inclined towards having tax incentives for marriage anyway but I raise the point particularly because, so far as I thought, Atlasia doesn't recognise marriage.
I believe Atlasia issues civil unions to any two adults, right?
Yeah, pretty much - subject to exceptions for incest, bigamy, etc...
Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 01, 2009, 06:57:12 am
I suppose we could change the wording
Yeah, but nonetheless I'd be grateful if Senators could discuss a bit why civil unions should be tax incentivised.
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Funny 'cause it's true:
Quote from: Gustaf on April 03, 2007, 08:54:07 am
Very few people seriously allow facts to affect their opinions.
I left.
Franzl
YaBB God
Posts: 20473
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #82 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:08:22 am »
Quote from: Jas on December 01, 2009, 07:03:40 am
Yeah, but nonetheless I'd be grateful if Senators could discuss a bit why civil unions should be tax incentivised.
Respectfully, I don't feel that they are. All it does is allow both members of a civil union to earn the same amount as if they were single. If that weren't allowed, I would feel that we would be punishing civil unions.
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I've lost interest in the forum and I've wasted far too much time here.
To those I consider forum friends, it's been nice and I hope to keep contact in some form.
Cheers.
Hashemite
YaBB God
Posts: 30149
Political Matrix
E: -1.29, S: -7.30
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #83 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:54:39 am »
I was waiting on the GM's professional opinion to comment more on this bill since I'm not too well read in tax policy or economics, but I'm happy with the GM's analysis and I think this bill does offer a fine solution to the deficit.
Full support.
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Quote
20:12 oakvale Taylor Swift's 22 was originally titled 75 in reference to her ex Flanby's proposed tax rate
Quote
20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
Vepres
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Posts: 8146
Political Matrix
E: 6.26, S: -7.39
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #84 on:
December 01, 2009, 02:46:57 pm »
Quote from: afleitch on December 01, 2009, 05:55:46 am
Okay. Well that was 5 pages of fun wasn't it
Lets pull back a bit and remember this is Atlasia. For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
This system is designed to play to the strengths and weaknesses in Atlasia and in its current tax system. The GM reports it would raise revenue - check. It maintains 0% taxation for the poorest that we have had for 2 years - check. It allows us to balance the costs of our extended welfare system and hopefully pay down some debt - check. I can't oppose this bill because it adresses what
Atlasia
needs (and Atlasia is a vastly different place from America)
It has my support.
Quote from: PASOK Leader Hashemite on December 01, 2009, 07:54:39 am
I was waiting on the GM's professional opinion to comment more on this bill since I'm not too well read in tax policy or economics, but I'm happy with the GM's analysis and I think this bill does offer a fine solution to the deficit.
Full support.
*Rips hair out* Gahhh! All that debating for nothing
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LOL, Failure
Quote from: Vepres on October 31, 2010, 02:21:38 pm
Alright, if Republicans gain less than 75 seats, I'll prominently display my failure in my signature.
Vepres
YaBB God
Posts: 8146
Political Matrix
E: 6.26, S: -7.39
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #85 on:
December 01, 2009, 02:52:01 pm »
Quote
For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
Link please, I couldn't find anything subsidizing higher education on the wiki
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LOL, Failure
Quote from: Vepres on October 31, 2010, 02:21:38 pm
Alright, if Republicans gain less than 75 seats, I'll prominently display my failure in my signature.
I left.
Franzl
YaBB God
Posts: 20473
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #86 on:
December 01, 2009, 02:53:23 pm »
Quote from: Right-Winger in Disguise Vepres on December 01, 2009, 02:52:01 pm
Quote
For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
Link please, I couldn't find anything subsidizing higher education on the wiki
The "Help Atlasia Study Act" that I proposed did provide subsidies for higher education.
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I've lost interest in the forum and I've wasted far too much time here.
To those I consider forum friends, it's been nice and I hope to keep contact in some form.
Cheers.
Vepres
YaBB God
Posts: 8146
Political Matrix
E: 6.26, S: -7.39
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #87 on:
December 01, 2009, 02:59:45 pm »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 01, 2009, 02:53:23 pm
Quote from: Right-Winger in Disguise Vepres on December 01, 2009, 02:52:01 pm
Quote
For example the whole argument about education costs being prohibitive (while valid in reality) is not particularly relevant as education in Atlasia has been made subsidised and affordable in a previous bill (partly thanks to a small tax increase)
Link please, I couldn't find anything subsidizing higher education on the wiki
The "Help Atlasia Study Act" that I proposed did provide subsidies for higher education.
Ah, I was searching "education" and "scholarships". Thanks
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LOL, Failure
Quote from: Vepres on October 31, 2010, 02:21:38 pm
Alright, if Republicans gain less than 75 seats, I'll prominently display my failure in my signature.
Alexander Hamilton
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Posts: 9395
Political Matrix
E: 0.58, S: -5.13
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #88 on:
December 01, 2009, 04:29:01 pm »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 01, 2009, 06:57:12 am
Quote from: Jas on December 01, 2009, 06:36:25 am
I'm interested in the separate provisions for tax rates for marrieds.
I'm not greatly inclined towards having tax incentives for marriage anyway but I raise the point particularly because, so far as I thought, Atlasia doesn't recognise marriage.
I believe Atlasia issues civil unions to any two adults, right?
Why only two?
Someone needs to change this.
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President Marokai
Marokai Blue
YaBB God
Posts: 16073
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [Debating]
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Reply #89 on:
December 01, 2009, 04:30:33 pm »
I believe I can change the wording without a formal amendment as PPT, so that's not a problem.
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Quote from: 後援会 on August 26, 2012, 12:29:57 am
I do not want my children to be integrated into a pro-homosexual discourse
President Marokai
Marokai Blue
YaBB God
Posts: 16073
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #90 on:
December 01, 2009, 05:53:43 pm »
I think it's time for the final vote, we've gone as far in debate as we're going to do, I think.
I hereby open up a final vote on the following bill. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
Quote
Fiscal Responsibility Act
Realizing that our rising budget deficit can not be left unattended indefinitely, the fundamental unfairness of our outdated income tax rates, and that we must make efforts to become more fiscally responsible, the Senate hereby authorizes the following comprehensive changes to our income tax system:
1.
The following income tax brackets shall replace existing brackets for income gained in 2010 and thereafter, increasing as normal with inflation:
Single Individual
0%
$0 - $8,025
14%
$8,026 - $32,550
25%
$32,551 - $78,850
28%
$78,851 - $164,550
35%
$164,551 - $367,700
41%
$367,701 - $1,000,000
50%
$1,000,001 - $2,500,000
60%
$2,500,001+
Civil Partners Filing Jointly
0%
$0 - $16,050
14%
$16,051 - $65,100
25%
$65,101 - $131,450
28%
$131,451 - $300,300
35%
$300,301 - $600,000
41%
$600,001 - $1,500,000
50%
$1,500,001 - $3,000,000
60%
$3,000,001+
Civil Partners Filing Separately
0%
$0 - $8,025
14%
$8,026 - $32,550
25%
$32,551 - $65,725
28%
$65,726 - $150,150
35%
$150,151 - $300,000
41%
$300,001 - $750,000
50%
$740,001 - $1,500,000
60%
$1,500,001+
Head of Household
0%
$0 - $11,450
14%
$11,451 - $43,650
25%
$43,651 - $112,650
28%
$112,651 - $182,400
35%
$182,401 - $367,700
41%
$367,701 - $1,000,000
50%
$1,000,001 - $2,500,000
60%
$2,500,001+
2.
The standard income tax deduction shall be raised from $5,700 to $7,000, to better care for lower income individuals and the working class of Atlasia.
One of the strongest
AYE
s I've ever cast in this body.
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Quote from: 後援会 on August 26, 2012, 12:29:57 am
I do not want my children to be integrated into a pro-homosexual discourse
I left.
Franzl
YaBB God
Posts: 20473
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #91 on:
December 01, 2009, 05:56:29 pm »
AYE, and this isn't hard to support for a true fiscal conservative.
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I've lost interest in the forum and I've wasted far too much time here.
To those I consider forum friends, it's been nice and I hope to keep contact in some form.
Cheers.
afleitch
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YaBB God
Posts: 20140
Political Matrix
E: 2.45, S: -8.17
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #92 on:
December 01, 2009, 06:05:27 pm »
Aye.
And may I remind the Senate if this passes there is no mandate to go on a spending spree
Otherwise fear my diminishing wrath
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Hashemite
YaBB God
Posts: 30149
Political Matrix
E: -1.29, S: -7.30
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #93 on:
December 01, 2009, 06:11:20 pm »
AYE
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20:12 oakvale Taylor Swift's 22 was originally titled 75 in reference to her ex Flanby's proposed tax rate
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20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
YaBB God
Posts: 21020
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E: 4.45, S: 3.22
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #94 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:02:06 pm »
NAY
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Fritz
JLD
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Posts: 4852
Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -3.48
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #95 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:16:07 pm »
Aye
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Rowan
RowanBrandon
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Posts: 6700
Political Matrix
E: 1.94, S: 4.70
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #96 on:
December 01, 2009, 07:48:53 pm »
Nay
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Senator MaxQue
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Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #97 on:
December 02, 2009, 02:24:20 am »
Aye
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President Marokai
Marokai Blue
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Posts: 16073
Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #98 on:
December 02, 2009, 02:45:11 am »
This bill is now passing. 24 hours to change votes.
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Quote from: 後援会 on August 26, 2012, 12:29:57 am
I do not want my children to be integrated into a pro-homosexual discourse
Jayhawker
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Re: Fiscal Responsibility Bill [At Final Vote]
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Reply #99 on:
December 02, 2009, 09:11:07 am »
Nay
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