Regional Self-Determination Amendment [At Final Vote]

[big bad fab]

If some senators were elected without any competition and 100% of the votes, well, this proposal may have a sense... But, today, that's not the case, thanks Dave.

The Pacific senator is correcting you by saying you than he was elected with 100% of votes without any competition. Well, I had a opponent, but he failed to came voting.

Yeah, perhaps BBF might like to do his research before speaking.

Perhaps the respectable President Pro Tempore might like to read each word of my sentence before posting.
"some senators" / "one senator": see the difference ?


BTW, the Pacific may really be the point of this proposal...

[Californian Tony]

If some senators were elected without any competition and 100% of the votes, well, this proposal may have a sense... But, today, that's not the case, thanks Dave.

The Pacific senator is correcting you by saying you than he was elected with 100% of votes without any competition. Well, I had a opponent, but he failed to came voting.

Yeah, perhaps BBF might like to do his research before speaking.

Perhaps the respectable President Pro Tempore might like to read each word of my sentence before posting.
"some senators" / "one senator": see the difference ?


BTW, the Pacific may really be the point of this proposal...

You claim to be objective and ideologically unbiased. Now, it's time to prove it by supporting an intelligent measure that just gives the regions the right to chose the way to elect their Senator. If you really care about facts and not about your party's interests, you must support it.

[Χahar]

Alright, I gave this some thought and consulted others and.. I accept Xahar/Fritz's amendment as friendly. 24 hours to object.

Time to change the thread title.

[Marokai]

Alright, I gave this some thought and consulted others and.. I accept Xahar/Fritz's amendment as friendly. 24 hours to object.

Time to change the thread title.

Yes indeed.

[Χahar]

Well, then, who objects to letting regions decide how to choose their own Senators?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I do. This is obviously a conspiracy to deny regions there representation.

[Californian Tony]

I do. This is obviously a conspiracy to deny regions there representation.

How pathetic, and how expected...

[Alexander Hamilton]

I do. This is obviously a conspiracy to deny regions there representation.

How pathetic, and how expected...

The only thing pathetic here is your sarcasm-detecting abilities. How expected...

[Vepres]

The one thing I still don't understand is how this could ever really lead to the abolition of regional representation.

It seems very clear that some regions will outright refuse to sacrifice their personal regional representation.

There might not be regional demand, as you say, but what's the real harm in letting regions that mutually decide that they'd like to try this do so?


I mean, in order to pass a constitutiona amendment, you need a majority in 4 out of 5 regions. And even if a region objects, as long as 4 others vote in favor, that amendment is binding on all regions.

I would argue that allowing regions to decide themselves how to elect class A senators doesn't harm any region that doesn't want to participate. If the Southeast has no interest in participating, then they're perfectly free to object to any change to their current representation.

Basically, the standard here is even higher than for a constitutional amendment, as a constitutional amendment abolishing regional seats would only require 4 regions, whereas it couldn't happen under this proposal without the consent of every single region.

I personally don't see any threat to regions here.

It might create more competition as well if the Pacific decides to share elections with another region.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

[Χahar]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

[DownWithTheLeft]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

[afleitch]

Regardless of what happens with this bill I still intend to introduce a Senate reform bill along what I've pushed for this past month in the next session (if I'm still here )

[Χahar]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

[Californian Tony]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

Don't worry, we don't need the agreement of the non-Senator to make it pass.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

Don't worry, we don't need the agreement of the non-Senator to make it pass.

DWTL's support is worth than more 1 vote.

[Californian Tony]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

Don't worry, we don't need the agreement of the non-Senator to make it pass.

DWTL's support is worth than more 1 vote.

It actually worths 0 currently.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

Don't worry, we don't need the agreement of the non-Senator to make it pass.

DWTL's support is worth than more 1 vote.

It actually worths 0 currently.

No, it's worth about 10-15.

[Californian Tony]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

Don't worry, we don't need the agreement of the non-Senator to make it pass.

DWTL's support is worth than more 1 vote.

It actually worths 0 currently.

No, it's worth about 10-15.

LOL There are 10 Senators, if you didn't know...

[DownWithTheLeft]

I would think Hamilton is referring to the ratification process where the RPP universally opposes this amendment making it very unlikely to pass

[Alexander Hamilton]

I would think Hamilton is referring to the ratification process where the RPP universally opposes this amendment making it very unlikely to pass

Bingo.

[Marokai]

I would think Hamilton is referring to the ratification process where the RPP universally opposes this amendment making it very unlikely to pass

Then your hypocrisy, your lies, can be exposed for all to see.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I would think Hamilton is referring to the ratification process where the RPP universally opposes this amendment making it very unlikely to pass

Then your hypocrisy, your lies, can be exposed for all to see.

There is no hypocrisy no lies at all, the supporters of this bill have just put their fingers in their ears and refused to acknowledge what we say and instead just shout that we hate regions and think everything is a conspiracy.  There is no conspiracy, its pretty easy to see what this is aimed at doing

[Californian Tony]

I would think Hamilton is referring to the ratification process where the RPP universally opposes this amendment making it very unlikely to pass

Then your hypocrisy, your lies, can be exposed for all to see.

There is no hypocrisy no lies at all, the supporters of this bill have just put their fingers in their ears and refused to acknowledge what we say and instead just shout that we hate regions and think everything is a conspiracy.  There is no conspiracy, its pretty easy to see what this is aimed at doing

The fact you oppose a bill doesn't mean anyone in the RPP is dumb as you. I remember the number of people saying "this man does not speak for me" last time.
Of course, it still remains zombies. But could you keep criticizing Hamilton if you start acting the same way ?

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     I strongly support this amendment. I suppose I should introduce legislation in my region soon stating that we will not give up our exclusive right to representation by our Senator unless 70%+ vote in the affirmative, so as to nullify the threat of eliminating Regional Senate seats.