Regional Self-Determination Amendment [At Final Vote]

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm glad to see this has been generating discussion.   I personally would love to see the Southeast join a partnership, but I doubt that the electorate of my region would agree. Oh well.

Nonetheless, this is the most pro-region thing that's come through the Senate in some time.

[Хahar 🤔]

PiT hasn't explicitly come out in opposition to this, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

[Хahar 🤔]

Listen, Marokai, those are all good points, but could you make them without attacking PiT?

[Хahar 🤔]

The problem is, when you want to come back, you've got only one referendum with, of course, a greater chance to have an anti-regional majority...
So, when you've chosen to go one way, you can't really come back.

It makes me think about Denmark's and Ireland's referendums in the EU.
Provided they result in a "yes", all is good and you don't ask again: it's for eternity, sort of. But if it's a "no", you vote again...

This is not the intent. It is an oversight that no method has been given to withdraw.

[Хahar 🤔]

As usual Devilman makes no sense and is only hurting a real argument.

Looks, lets face it the first move will be the Pacific and Midwest combining so that the JCP can score an easy double victory.   Perhaps then a merger of the Northeast and Mideast to keep the RPP from winning the Mideast seat.  We see what the idea is here, to increase liberal power

As you may recall, the Pacific and Midwest have had a certain animosity historically. The JCP does not control the Midwest, and even if it did, what would be the difference between two JCP seats and a JCP double-seater constituency? Also, couldn't the Southeast combine with the Mideast to keep the RPP in power?

But, anyway:

Regional Self-Determination Amendment

The qualifications and means of election for Class A seats in the Senate may be changed by the Regions to whom they belong.

[Хahar 🤔]

Regional Self-Determination Amendment

The qualifications and means of election for Class A seats in the Senate may be changed by the Regions to whom they belong.

Just in case it's not clear, this is an amendment offered.

[Хahar 🤔]

Fabien, take a look at the amendment I wrote.

[Хahar 🤔]

As usual Devilman makes no sense and is only hurting a real argument.

Looks, lets face it the first move will be the Pacific and Midwest combining so that the JCP can score an easy double victory.   Perhaps then a merger of the Northeast and Mideast to keep the RPP from winning the Mideast seat.  We see what the idea is here, to increase liberal power

As you may recall, the Pacific and Midwest have had a certain animosity historically. The JCP does not control the Midwest, and even if it did, what would be the difference between two JCP seats and a JCP double-seater constituency? Also, couldn't the Southeast combine with the Mideast to keep the RPP in power?

But, anyway:

Regional Self-Determination Amendment

The qualifications and means of election for Class A seats in the Senate may be changed by the Regions to whom they belong.

     Combining the Mideast & Southeast would make it hard for the RPP to hold both seats, & would be a violently anti-DA move at that.

     I do like your proposed amendment a lot, though.

Of course it would; combining the Mideast and Southeast for electoral purpose makes as much sense as Fluffy's prophecies do.

Glad to see you like it.

[Хahar 🤔]

It is vague. It allows regions to do to their seats as they see fit.

[Хahar 🤔]

Alright, I gave this some thought and consulted others and.. I accept Xahar/Fritz's amendment as friendly. 24 hours to object.

Time to change the thread title.

[Хahar 🤔]

Well, then, who objects to letting regions decide how to choose their own Senators?

[Хahar 🤔]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

[Хahar 🤔]

I still urge all senators to vote against this bill unless something is clearly stated that each region must still retain one senator.  Under what Xahar has proposed, the regions may still combine

Isn't that their right?

For reasons I have outlined no less than 10 times, no

So you oppose regional rights.

OK.

[Хahar 🤔]

Perhaps legislation could be introduced in the Southeast requiring a two-thirds majority for any change.

[Хahar 🤔]

The reason is that Senators are currently required to reside in the region they represent. Obviously, this would be an issue if partnerships were created.

I don't think anyone would object to a clause mandating that Senators be elected democratically.

[Хahar 🤔]

Let regions decide. No need to pander to Fluffy.

[Хahar 🤔]

     Regions should be able to unilaterally change the requirements for their own vote if they so wish.

That's actually an even better idea.

Although I think that would already be the case under Xahar's proposal

Indeed it is. PiT is not an obstructionist; hence, his concerns have been taken into account.

[Хahar 🤔]

This has been debated to death. I don't think anything else meaningful will be added.

Time for a vote?