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« Reply #75 on: January 05, 2010, 04:56:30 AM »

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Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.
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« Reply #76 on: January 05, 2010, 07:03:52 AM »

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« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2010, 07:48:33 AM »

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« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2010, 08:20:44 AM »

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« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2010, 11:51:56 AM »

Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

But i guess then you should have included Puerta and Camaño who were presidents for a day more or less Tongue
By the way, don't take my criticism the wrong way fab, you are doing a wonderful job, especially considering you have been ill Wink



The temptation of eliminating Guido is more powerful than the temptation of eliminating the caretakers. Let's have a compromise Tongue

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The piece of crap of Agustín Pedro Justo should be eliminated soon too.


To be honest, before this started, i was worried that Peron was going to be ousted in the first rounds or some other crazy sh**t, cause of the bad reputation he has in the US, but i'm glad that while few, every voter here actually thinks when they vote Smiley
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« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2010, 07:59:55 PM »

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.
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« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2010, 05:03:39 AM »

Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

But i guess then you should have included Puerta and Camaño who were presidents for a day more or less Tongue
By the way, don't take my criticism the wrong way fab, you are doing a wonderful job, especially considering you have been ill Wink



The temptation of eliminating Guido is more powerful than the temptation of eliminating the caretakers. Let's have a compromise Tongue

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The piece of crap of Agustín Pedro Justo should be eliminated soon too.


To be honest, before this started, i was worried that Peron was going to be ousted in the first rounds or some other crazy sh**t, cause of the bad reputation he has in the US, but i'm glad that while few, every voter here actually thinks when they vote Smiley

We try to ! Wink
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« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2010, 05:06:01 AM »

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.

Not very successful, eh ?
Well, sorry, but, as for me, I don't really understand why you want to oust him so soon.
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« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2010, 05:20:26 AM »




1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND NINE IS OPEN !
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Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.
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« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2010, 05:26:38 AM »

It was impossible to find any photo of the great presidente Molina Gomez... So you've got Manuel Belgrano and the national flag...

A 3-way tie between Guido, Rawson and Justo, fine !

And, Edu, for Puerta and Camano, apart from the fact you didn't want them (Wink), they were only acting ones. Molina Gomez and Rawson were real ones, even if short-lived.
But, sure, at a point, choices are a bit arbitrary.

For this round, I vote for
Rawson and Pedernera.

Just to have some suspense, because I acknowledge Justo should go, now or very soon.

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« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2010, 07:59:50 AM »

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« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2010, 08:15:15 AM »

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« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2010, 12:55:53 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2010, 12:56:27 PM »

And, Edu, for Puerta and Camano, apart from the fact you didn't want them (Wink), they were only acting ones. Molina Gomez and Rawson were real ones, even if short-lived.
But, sure, at a point, choices are a bit arbitrary.

Well, in a way Puerta and Camaño were acting presidents because they were in office during a democracy and there was a constitutional way for power to change hands. Molina Gomez and Rawson were just "real" presidents because they were De facto presidents who in practice had no real power and they themselves acknowledged that they were in essence acting de facto presidents. Lonardi was even managing government business while Molina Gomez was still "president".
Rawson apparently will go out this round, so it's a moot point anyway Grin


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Agustín Pedro Justo (hey, if you want to blame someone for the destruction of the Argentine economy, start blaming this scumbag instead of Peron Grin)


Urquiza, Lonardi, Bignone, Juarez Celman, Figueroa Alcorta, Lastiri, Campora and even Pedernera should be going soon.

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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2010, 08:20:06 PM »

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.

Not very successful, eh ?
Well, sorry, but, as for me, I don't really understand why you want to oust him so soon.

     Argentinian Presidents are not something I am very knowledgeable about, so when I heard what I did about Sarmiento I decided I ought to vote against him. Undecided
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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2010, 09:05:18 PM »

     Argentinian Presidents are not something I am very knowledgeable about, so when I heard what I did about Sarmiento I decided I ought to vote against him. Undecided

Well, i don't blame you. He was a very good and prolific writer and it's no wonder that among those thousands of pages people were going to find some nasty stuff Tongue
He was pretty racist against the native americans, he criticised the most poor provinces and he didn't have a nice opinion (to say the least) about the gauchos. So some of the things he wrote are pretty shocking by today's standart, But at the time i wouldn't say that his views were too much out of touch with the mainstream beliefs. I sort of give him some slack cause of that.
Despite this, he was a pretty good president who modernized the country and greatly promoted education. He had other faults during his administration, but on the whole he was pretty good, especially considering that he was president during a time where the tension between Buenos Aires and the rest of the provinces was sky high.
Though as the years pass opinions about him seem to be more extreme. Some think he's one of our greatest presidents and some think he was one of the worst, the truth should be somewhere in between Tongue

IMHO, All the crap dictators and most of the nincompoops that succeeded Roca till Peron came along should probably go before him Wink
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« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2010, 04:50:51 AM »
« Edited: January 07, 2010, 05:03:57 AM by big bad fab »



1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.
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« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2010, 05:00:27 AM »

Pedernera

Lastiri

(P2 member ! I didn't know it...)
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« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2010, 07:51:21 AM »

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« Reply #94 on: January 07, 2010, 11:52:26 AM »

Justo José de Urquiza
Raúl Alberto Lastiri

Wow, Argentina has had some sucky leadership.
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« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2010, 12:18:05 PM »

Wow, Argentina has had some sucky leadership.

No sh**t Grin


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Eduardo Lonardi (he might have ruled for just a little while and he was certainly tamer than Aramburu. He also had the right idea in regards to Peronism [that is, don't ban the party and make Perón even more of a martyr than what he already was]. He was still a dictator who continued the nice tradition of deposing leaders when it's convenient, screw him Tongue


Lastiri had very close ties with José Lopez Rega, who is one of the most infamous people we ever had. Lopez Rega virtually controlled the 3rd government of Perón and fully controlled the administration of his wife Isabel. Lopez rega was a far right loon who believed in witches and some other weird sh**t and who was actually the head of the "Triple A" a far right terrorist and paramilitary group who was very much involved in all the horrible stuff that happened during the 70's.
Lastiri was an incompetent figurehead who was famous for his huge collection of ties, i'm guessing he didn't buy them with his hard earned money Tongue
And yeah, he was a member of the P2.
Still, i don't think he should go just now, since his tenure was so short it certainly wasn't worse than what was considered the norm those days Tongue


Lastiri will probably be out and Lonardi still in, i'm guessing that my next 2 votes will be something like: Lonardi and Juarez Celman, but i'll have to think about it
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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2010, 12:34:39 PM »

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Raúl Alberto Lastiri
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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2010, 11:41:42 PM »

     Juan Esteban Pedernera & Justo José de Urquiza
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« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2010, 04:12:30 AM »



1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND ELEVEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.
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« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2010, 04:20:37 AM »

Pedernera

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