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« on: December 11, 2009, 06:00:05 am »

Finally, it comes !
And to be sure, it begins in 1862 !

1. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
2. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
3. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
4. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
5. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
6. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
7. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
8. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
9. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
10. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
11. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
12. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
13. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
14. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
15. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
16. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
17. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
18. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
19. Arturo Rawson (1943)
20. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
21. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
22. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
23. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
24. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
25. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
26. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
27. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
28. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
29. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
30. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
31. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
32. Héctor José Campora (1973)
33. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
34. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
35. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
36. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
37. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
38. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
39. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
40. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
41. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
42. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
43. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
44. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
45. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 06:12:39 am »
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 06:16:47 am »

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Not so fast, Gully !

Wait a bit, vote isn't open... I just want the specialists and the "fans" to take a look, in case something is bad in the list.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 am »

We'll begin when Edu says the list is OK.

As for Molina Gomez, he was president, even if for a short time, so I really think he sould be included.
I have excluded the interim ones, not the "real" even if short ones.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 08:15:55 am »
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Well, too bad there's no earlier leaders like Rosas, I know he only governed over Buenos Aires but he's considered an early Argentine leader and his role and philosophy in Argentine history is rather important.

I would include Rosas and maybe the people between 1853 and 1862.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2009, 09:45:01 am »

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

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OK, guys, VOTE IS NOT OPEN.

BUT... the list is longer !
I'll just kill Hash, but, well, we must acknowledge he is damn right. It'll be better like that (I include "everything" from the 1826 constitution and onwards). I was a bit lazy in my first list...

With 56 names, I'm a bit worried about turnout. But I don't like to kill 2 unknown at once, because it's sure we won't make any effort to read a bit about them. With only one ousted at once, you're forced to read if you want to be honest in your vote.

I just wait for Edu to give me a green light and we'll be able to begin.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2009, 09:52:09 am »
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Rosas. The Mussolini/Franco of the 19th Century.

Then Roca. I don't really know too much about most of the other Pre-Peron guys.

Yes I know we've started fab, but I'm pre-empting.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 01:03:24 pm »
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It might be faster to dump two in the first rounds.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 01:49:54 pm »
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It might be faster to dump two in the first rounds.

Yeah, I think they are too many Wink
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2009, 02:59:55 pm »
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Oh, fab, i didn't know that you were waiting for me to start this, i would have tried to arrive home faster Sad instead of keeping everybody hanging.

Anyways, i think the list is ok, but maybe you could cut some of the early names and leave the important ones, like for instance just leave Rivadavia, Rosas, Urquiza (Maybe Derqui too) and then leave all of them from Mitre on to the present. Most of the early names in the list may have been important for some time, but considering they weren't presidents and that most didn't even fully control the whole territory, it may become a boring task eliminating them (and frankly i have no idea which ones i would eliminate early or try to keep late in the game Tongue).
But it's just a suggestion, if everyone else wants to play with all the names then i won't really complain. I'm just concerned about the general lack of knowledge about them (including me with some of the names Tongue)

From Mitre onwards i don't really have a complaint, except for Molina Gómez. When i saw that name i thought: "who the f*** is that? lol. I don't think he really belongs in the list despite being president for a couple of days. And this is honestly the first time i ever heard of him Tongue Of course we had so many presidents, interim presidents, military juntas, etc that it's hard keeping track of them all and not become insane Grin

As i said, these are only small suggestions, whatever you decide is fine, fab Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 03:09:50 pm »
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Oh by the way, Videla, Ongania, Jose Felix Uriburu and Aramburu need to go ASAP. Probably Rosas and Roca could follow swiftly. Then Sarmiento, Figueroa Alcorta, Justo, Guido, Isabel Peron and Galtieri are also good candidates for early ousting.

And now that i see him, Rawson shouldn't be here either, he was sort of a figurehead that lasted a couple of days maintaining the government house for Ramirez to take power.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 05:09:05 pm »

Thank you, Edu.

Eventually I won't change the list again and I'll let the small ones, because... I'm tired tonight... Wink

OK, we can have ten rounds or so, with a double killing...
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 05:11:02 pm »

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

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In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
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ROUND ONE IS OPEN !
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 05:11:53 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 05:28:03 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 05:29:55 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 06:10:11 pm »
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Viola wasn't that bad compared to Videla or others, he in fact went against some of the harsher measures made by Videla. Yep, he was a son of a bitch, but he at least reincorporated some politicians so they could take part of the government, he also didn't enforce some of the prohibitions as hard as Videla did (or Galtieri after him for that matter). Yes the economic situation under him was bad, but if we oust argie presidents based on that we should do just 1 single huge round Tongue.
Still, he should be a target soon, but not now.

Rosas and Roca are early elimination candidates but despite the bad things they did, they also did some stuff right, which gives them a pass for now.


I'm going to vote for Jorge Rafael Videla, maybe there are some in the list that killed more people than him, maybe it's true that the times before the coup were f***ed up, but not only is he one of the worst here for various reasons, i also have personal reasons to hate him the most, so yeah, Videla needs to go.

Then I'll vote for José Félix Uriburu. The guy who started the nice tradition of overthrowing the government that the military and other powerful groups didn't like. Yes, Argentina up to that point didn't have the best democratic record in the world, elections were constantly rigged and the same power group ruled the country while regularly getting richer and with little to no regard for the rest of the people, but in the 10's and 20's that changed a bit, elections became freer than ever and the same people that governed for decades had decreased power.
But this guy screwed everything up, overthrew the government, torture of political opponents and suspected anarchists or communists became a normal thing, he closed newspapers, executed workers and union heads and set up a clearly fascist government (and I'm not one to throw around that word lightly) among other things Tongue
And after all this? electoral fraud returned and the same people that were voted out years ago returned like nothing had happened, and then it was all downhill from there. If you want to blame someone for the screwed up country we have you would probably end up pointing the finger at this guy and not Peron, like it's usually done.


In case it wasn't all that clear because of my rant: I vote to eliminate Videla and J. F. Uriburu Tongue
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I changed my second vote to Uriburu. I don't know why I had forgotten that asshole, given that I almost spent a majority of my history paper ranting about how much of a piece of sh**t he was.
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2009, 04:42:42 pm »

I'm still ill and very tired, guys.
Round 1 is still open...

Do not hesitate to argue with Edu !
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Pity that Lewis and Al haven't voted, we need more people Tongue
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Jorge Videla (I don't need to explain that Wink)
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2009, 02:57:12 am »

Sorry, guys, I'm still very ill and exhausted.
You'll have to wait.
But, don't worry, I don't forget my survivors...
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