Democrat propaganda is working

[RN]

I come from a Republican/Military family.  Many over there are seething about Kerry running down Bush while a war is on.  Saying its the wrong war at the wrong time.  And many of the good old boys like a conservative Texan than a Mass. liberal.  So its apples and oranges comparing Kerry to Clinton. 
A lot of the older vets sit around the VFW and crab about Kerry constantly, they said if him and Dan Rather were around during WWII then we would be speaking German now.

[angus]

I had Chemistry today, just got back. My lab partner noticed my Kerry/Edwards button on my backpack. He said "so you're voting Kerry too huh?"

I replied yes of course and he said "yeah, I am, I just registered, I normally don't care about voting but I heard rumors about Bush wanting to reinstate the draft, so I'm not taking any chances."

I smiled.

Ironic, ain't it?  Democrats gaining advantage from false draft paranoia, that is.

After all, it was U.S. congressman Chuck Rangel (democrat) who called for congress to reinstate the draft.  And when he did so, it was not only the republicans in congress, but also their minions on FOX, CNN, and other news outlets that were so dead set against it.  Rangel called it "shared sacrifice" and pushed it hard.  Luckily it was voted down, by over 400 congressman.  Over 400!  Does your buddy seriously think a draft is likely?  Would you prefer to let him?

Why should anyone think for himself anyway?  What advantage could there possibly be in that, when to do so would only force one into the awkward situation of the unprejudiced little boy in the tale of the emperor's new clothes? 

[So the Heroes Fall]

Is this the University of Minnesota? The hotbed of a field of inquiry which employs Marxism, feminism, new historicism, revisionist history, etc., all under the umbrella of "critical theory." If so, he doesn't have a chance.

Minnesota State University, but almost as liberal. Your description fits here too. Plus my campus is involved in a "non-partisan" effort encouraging kids to vote by handing out "voter guides" which are put out by a pro-Communist organization, had a bunch of free showings of Fahrenheit 9/11, and lets the Kessel Peace Institute give weekly talks near the center of campus about how the war in Iraq is a corporate funded imperialism venture to benefit the military-industrial complex.

[MODU]

I have heard that many in the military will refuse to have Kerry as their commander in chief.

You're full of sh**t and you know it.

Did electing Clinton result in an exodus from the military?

All you have to do is scroll up to see my post regarding this.  In fact, yes, there was an exodus of the military requiring selected stop losses to be put in place in key positions.

Happened after GHWB lost his re-election bid.  A stop loss had to be put in place since so many people that were close to retiring wanted out early just so Clinton's name wouldn't appear on their discharge paperwork.

[CollectiveInterest]

http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/b/o/bondibox/Tim_Ryan_Redux.mp3

[Nym90]

hehehe . . . possibly.

It just saddens me that the new generation voters haven't learned from our past, and bothered to do the research into the issues in this election, like the draft.  It was the Democrats who drafted the new draft resolution and brought it up for a vote, and then voted against it, and then accused the President of trying to reinstate the draft.  I think just hearing Kerry mention that word would push people away from him since it is such an obvious ploy.

It cuts both ways. How many Bush voters sincerely believe that Kerry will ban all guns if elected? Or that he supports tax increases for everyone? Or that he supports nationalizing the health care industry and banning all private hospitals? Or any other such. Both sides benefit from this and encourage it when it helps them, if only tacitly.

[J. J.]

I have heard that many in the military will refuse to have Kerry as their commander in chief.

You're full of <expletive indicating CollectiveInterest's lack of decorum deleated> and you know it.

Did electing Clinton result in an exodus from the military?

Powell, and a few others did.

[CollectiveInterest]

Powell, and a few others did.

Once again a Bush supporter is wrong on the facts. Powell completed his tour as chairman of the JCS and retired like all past chairmen.

The choice:

Join the Bushies and vote for more faith-based policy.
Or vote for reality-based policy and vote for change.

[The Duke]

I have heard that many in the military will refuse to have Kerry as their commander in chief.

You're full of <expletive indicating CollectiveInterest's lack of decorum deleated> and you know it.

Did electing Clinton result in an exodus from the military?

Well, we weren't at war then, were we?  This situation is a tad different now.

[Jake]

There won't be a draft. The bill by Hagel was defeated 402-2 in the the House. That'll happen to any other bill on a draft that comes up.

Rangel not Hagel

Pretty bad when the dems have to spread a totally false rumor. 

[CollectiveInterest]

If a draft is completely out of the question, why hasn't Bush cut the Selective Service registration system? Save millions that is spend in Democratic Maryland.

Has Bush's foreign policy made a draft more likely?

[J. J.]

Powell, and a few others did.

Once again a Bush supporter is wrong on the facts. Powell completed his tour as chairman of the JCS and retired like all past chairmen.

The choice:

Join the Bushies and vote for more faith-based policy.
Or vote for reality-based policy and vote for change.

He didn't stay, and he could have.

[J. J.]

If a draft is completely out of the question, why hasn't Bush cut the Selective Service registration system? Save millions that is spend in Democratic Maryland.

Has Bush's foreign policy made a draft more likely?

I guess it was the same reason Jimmy Carter started the system.  To provide a pool and that is why it has been maintained by Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush, and Clinton.  Are you suggesting that Jimmy Carter favored the draft, and all have favored a draft?  Or is it just defective interest?

[AuH2O]

CI is a troll.

Anyone that claims W supports the draft because he hasn't gotten rid of the Selective Service simply is not a credible person. They are a liar misrepresenting themselves, in all likelihood, to be so ignorant of reality.

[freedomburns]

I have heard that many in the military will refuse to have Kerry as their commander in chief.  If anyone is going to start a draft it will be Kerry.  Why hasnt the media ran stories on all the military personnel who hate Kerry?  They only say stuff like the vast majority are Bush supporters.

Because nobody really cares just how much you and your kind hate Kerry.

[J. J.]

I have heard that many in the military will refuse to have Kerry as their commander in chief.  If anyone is going to start a draft it will be Kerry.  Why hasnt the media ran stories on all the military personnel who hate Kerry?  They only say stuff like the vast majority are Bush supporters.

Because nobody really cares just how much you and your kind hate Kerry.

I wish he would answer my question.  Does he thind that all presidents since Carter favored restarting the draft.

[shankbear]

troll of the day.....Kerry is a feckless crapweasel

[angus]

CI is a troll.

Anyone that claims W supports the draft because he hasn't gotten rid of the Selective Service simply is not a credible person. They are a liar misrepresenting themselves, in all likelihood, to be so ignorant of reality.

nah, he just wants to pick a fight.  I like to read his posts, generally.  Spunky.  And unorthodox.  But of course he's misinterpreting the draft rumors, as in, taking them too seriously.  As are many folks.  But then that was the whole point of the propaganda.   Propaganda need not be true, just effective, right?  As Ed Rollins, Republican spinmeister extraordinaire, said, "The object is simply to win."  Republicans play that game pretty well to, just like the Dems do.  Best not to get one's panties all knotted up over these things.   Anyway, it's hard to call a Navy man a coward.  I'd say the same thing about John Kerry.  Questioning US foreign policy is not unpatriotic.  CI is dead wrong, and doesn't take the terrorism threat seriously perhaps, and maybe even enjoys playing you just a bit more than is proper, but he's not a troll.

[freedomburns]

Collective is da man.  He has consistently had the best predictions in Atlasia.

[Dabeav]

Just be glad there are uneducated and easily indoctrinated kids. Which is what's next - he'll be assimilated easily by the professors and leftist academics who attempt to do so.

Having been there, it's amazing to watch this process work. I always applauded the ones who resisted it.

Is this the University of Minnesota? The hotbed of a field of inquiry which employs Marxism, feminism, new historicism, revisionist history, etc., all under the umbrella of "critical theory." If so, he doesn't have a chance.

Yes, I went to the U of M for a short time.  Everybody I knew who went there dropped out.  The teachers have a my-way-or-the-highway mentality about teaching and yes, every one is a leftist.  Especially those that teach politics, but even Wellstone was far too left for some students which gave me some hope.  Still, it was a horrible college and I was glad to leave.

A few of my friends ended up going to MSU-Mankato, which is not as left but through my talks with them over the years, the ones that vote vote Libertarian.  MSU-Mankato is the cheapest college in the state, heavily subsidized, but still when government tightened the belt on the fatcats in the MnSCU system and the University of Minnesota; that did not prevent those colleges passing the buck onto the student.   Then the fatcats could keep their coushy, worthless positions, and students would get screwed. 

Everything I have experienced with these colleges has just made me more libertarian.  Private institutions are the only safeguard because it puts the choices back in the hands of students and parents.   Think, when a college or school pays it's worthless board members too much and the cost is passed onto the student, you can choose one that doesn't do that.  Sure you can choose a different college now but you sacrifice quality.  Competition encourages more efficency, which gives you better quality for less.