The Post Tribune Telegraph of AAtlasia - TPTTAA

[East Coast Republican]

no, instead, its to vote for whoever lord bgwah tells them to vote for

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

People like azmagic, dallasfan, Elvis Republican, etc, well, they're kind of stupid honestly, to be a little harsh about it. They post on the forum at large to maintain the bare minimum, they have extremely low total post counts, almost no one knows who the hell they are, they seem like the type of person who was recruited simply to be used in Atlasia, the list goes on. Those are classic zombie qualifiers.

Wow, now you're calling other members stupid?

[Marokai Backbeat]

People like azmagic, dallasfan, Elvis Republican, etc, well, they're kind of stupid honestly, to be a little harsh about it. They post on the forum at large to maintain the bare minimum, they have extremely low total post counts, almost no one knows who the hell they are, they seem like the type of person who was recruited simply to be used in Atlasia, the list goes on. Those are classic zombie qualifiers.

Wow, now you're calling other members stupid?

Of everything I posted there on my philosophy of what a zombie is, that's what you decide to single out? Sheesh.

[East Coast Republican]

Zombie voters in real life are people who contribute nothing to the country. That means you marokai

Oh and get a job

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Comic to cheer everyone up

http://www.optipess.com/2009/10/16/lovesick/

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Zombie voters in real life are people who contribute nothing to the country. That means you marokai

Oh and get a job

lol

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

People like azmagic, dallasfan, Elvis Republican, etc, well, they're kind of stupid honestly, to be a little harsh about it. They post on the forum at large to maintain the bare minimum, they have extremely low total post counts, almost no one knows who the hell they are, they seem like the type of person who was recruited simply to be used in Atlasia, the list goes on. Those are classic zombie qualifiers.

Wow, now you're calling other members stupid?

Of everything I posted there on my philosophy of what a zombie is, that's what you decide to single out? Sheesh.

How is dallasfan stupid?

[Hash]

I hope that all parties involved understand that real anti-zombie action, which some support, is a two-way street and obviously involves not only your rival party.

[Vepres]

Some of those on that list probably read this board frequently but don't post often. A-Bob, for example, seems to lurk around here often.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

i wasn't 'recruited', i actually discovered the Atlas because I read on wiki that Robert Byrd ran for President in 1976, and then googled to see what his platform on, and the first thing that came up was "Gerald Ford vs Robert Byrd 1976", so I read. and i began to read some more, becoming very interested in the "What-ifs" and the general discussion, so eventually I decided to join up on the forum.

I eventually got recruited into Atlasia because I had no idea what it was. I'm not a 'pawn' of any sort, and I have great interest in it. I have a low post count because I just joined two months ago or so. If I had a high post count I'd be called a spammer. You may think I'm stupid, and you're entitled to your opinion, but know that I'm going to defend myself.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

OFFICIAL ZOMBIE LIST

We here at TPTToAA have decided that the definition of "Zombie" is someone who has not posted, in Atlasia, 5 times between the two most recent general elections, not counting votes, or posts shorter than 25 words.

Put another way, you need to post, not vote, more than 5 times, and those posts must be meaningful, not "LOL" and the like.

Note, we consider the "election" to have begun on December 1st - the 10 day registration limit. Note that I do not count those who registered after the last election, that would not be fair.

**NOTE** I found that many people also voted in the middle of November for something. If I find 0 posts between then and the last election, I am also qualifying them as "Zombies" and putting them on the list.


Below we've listed the following.
Name of the Zombie - Person he voted for in the most recent election




Mart - Badger (JCP)
Sensei - Badger (JCP)
Smash255 - Badger (JCP)
CultureKing - Badger (JCP)
Rob - Badger (JCP)
Cosmo Kramer - Badger (JCP)
Ogre Mage - Badger (JCP)
KyleGordon2016 - Badger (JCP)

FallenMorgan - Mint (ARC)
Lahbas - Mint (ARC)
rebel_libertarian - Mint (ARC)
phknrocket1k - Mint (ARC)
ajc0918 - Mint (ARC)
Elvis Republican - Mint (ARC)
azmagic - Mint (ARC)
Earth - Mint (ARC)

liberalrepublican - Duke (RPP)
Torie - Duke (RPP)
dead0man - Duke (RPP)
A-Bob - Vepres - #2=Duke (RPP)
Ronnie - Duke (RPP)
MagneticFree - self - Vepres - #2=Duke (RPP)

BRTD - Fritz (JCP)
xavier110 - Fritz (JCP)
Boris - Fritz (JCP)
Eraserhead - Fritz (JCP)

Deldm - Afleitch (DA)
Frodo - afleitch (DA)
Gustaf - afleitch (DA)

titaniumtux - Prodigy - #2 Sewer (LNF)
jfern - Sewer (LNF)

Daniel Adams - DWTL (RPP)

Senator Conor Flynn - Jas (LNF)


Many of the above had NO posts in Atlasia between votes, and yet some of these people somehow knew about candidates requesting write-ins.

Dallasfan65, despite being accused by others, is NOT a zombie, he is new, and yet has contributed to the game in a productive manner, if limited; something that separates him from those listed above.

yay!!!! I am not on it. whoot whoot!!!

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

I hadn't seen that post earlier, and my last one was solely to Marokai. I appreciate the vindication, Teddy.

[Badger]

OK, ignoring common sense telling me to stay clear of this thread I have to post some thoughts:

Without going through every single alleged zombie posted one by one, the definition here seems dramatically overbroad. Especially when we look at prior involvement in Atlasia. Culture King and Torie were not very long ago governor and senator to name the two most obvious examples. Several others have at least been candidates for office as well. Are we really saying that because they don't post as actively as before that they're unwitting drones without knowledge or interest in Atlasian politics? All of this also assumes that these folks don't at least occasionally lurk here without posting.

I rarely agree with Libertas on anything, but he makes a good point that citizens whose primary participation in the democratic process is voting is hardly inappropriate for an election sim.

I understand the distaste of true zombie voters: Folks who have little to no interest in Atlasia's workings responding to an e-mail around election time to the detriment of opposing candidates who are active and participating (though to the benefit of active participating candidates they support, but that's another story). But there's a potential huge downside to the inflamed witch zombie hunt that's developing.

Atlasia should be trying to get more people active and participating--both newbies and less active veterans--not trying to make the population an uber-elite of chronic hyper posters. With this kind of spleen venting towards anyone who dares participating without making at least multiple posts a week, is it any surprise that many veterans take an increasingly detached role here? Is it any wonder newbies would be so reluctant to get involved in the first place? If the choice in either case is an unwritten requirement of constant incessant posting or risk labeling as a "zombie voter", or simply writing Atlasia off entirely and playing elsewhere on the forum, it's easy to see why veterans and newbies alike would largely choose the latter.

Voting is the basic level of participation in Atlasia, for both newbies and inactive veterans. Today's new or returning voter in next year's senator or governor. Let people stay linked in that basic level and they remain a potential resource for Atlasia, whether a newbie who decides they like the game and want to expand their horizons, or a veteran who decides to resume active politicking like Joe Republic.

Constant regular posting here is easier said than done. Not because of any technical difficulty in typing a post of course, but because increasingly threads revolve more and more around personal disputes and inter-party finger pointing that no one outside the addicted several plus posts a day crowd could or should give a s%it about. Yes, there are still posts debating political issues mirroring the real world like taxes, regulation, etc., but they seem to be in a dwindling minority.

I don't want a shrinking exclusionary "you haven't posted in a month or run for office in almost a year so you're a zombie" Atlasia. Yes, truly inactive voters who don't even occasionally lurk here exist in all parties and are a nuisance. But I worry that the endless tailchasing threads and zombie hunts are potentially a far more dangerous cure than the disease.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

For the record, under my own definition of "zombie", I would have qualified as a "zombie" for the October election.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Great list, I guess it will be very useful for the future HAEV members.

[Badger]

For the record, under my own definition of "zombie", I would have qualified as a "zombie" for the October election.

Which is clear evidence of how vastly overbroad the list is in defining "zombies".

[Хahar 🤔]

If ARC members are zombies, so are JCP members. Arguing that the latter contribute to the forum and the former don't simply isn't true.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Unfortunately I take issue with a great deal of your list.

The facts are the facts. These people contribute nothing yet have the same vote as you and I.

Okay I didn't really want to do this because there's the possibility something concerning zombies could come before the court because of HAEV and all that nonsense, but taking a liberal interpretation of that basically means I can't comment on anything, so let me just explain why I think alot of this list is ridiculous.

In our statute, we deal with activity requirements for voting in elections with this language:

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Now, it's actually 25 now because of a bill from Hashemite that I supported, but stay with me. When it says "who have posted at least 15 times" it is referring to the Atlas forum at-large. These are the sort of activity requirements that we deal with. The same is upheld in various office-holding rules (I believe it's like 200 or something to be a Senator now?) for post counts, the posts in the at-large forum.

Here are the three criteria for how I judge (personally, not officially) a "zombie" with some exceptions.

Someone who doesn't post on the forum at-large or exclusively posts in Atlasia (or it seems like they were recruited for the sole purpose of participating in Atlasia).

Someone who is not an established member of Atlasia (meaning, someone you can point out in a crowd of Atlas members).

Someone who doesn't post intelligently, causes trouble, etc.

People like BRTD, Smash, phknrocket1k, Boris, CultureKing, Eraser, Gustaf, Torie (Seriously? Torie is a zombie to you?), Ronnie, Dead0man, etc, do not qualify in my humble opinion. They have a long history in Atlasia, the Atlas forum in general for the most part, are well established members, post often on the Atlas forum at large, and many of the people on your list are former office-holders for heaven's sake.

Not longer than earlier this year, CultureKing was my Governor! Torie was once my Senator for two terms! Obviously these are not exemptions on their own, but they are, in combination with other factors, evidence that they are not zombies. They don't not post (grammar attack) on the forum at large, they don't cause trouble or get in trouble alot, they weren't recruited to Atlas simply for the purpose of participating in this silly little game, they have a long history and have established themselves on this site.

People like azmagic, dallasfan, Elvis Republican, etc, well, they're kind of stupid honestly, to be a little harsh about it. They post on the forum at large to maintain the bare minimum, they have extremely low total post counts, almost no one knows who the hell they are, they seem like the type of person who was recruited simply to be used in Atlasia, the list goes on. Those are classic zombie qualifiers.

We could get into arguments too over more complicated shades. People who cause trouble and obsessively participate in Atlasia. But that's an argument for another day. For now, this is about the inactive type of zombie/tool. If anyone wanted my philosophy on zombies, I supposed that's as detailed as I can think to be on the topic.

[Хahar 🤔]

Your accusations are baseless, though. Perhaps you don't post in the same places as the ARC members, but I do.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

http://eqcomics.com/comics/awkward-strike/

New comic!

This one is not all that offensive, sadly.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I adore these new strange bedfellows.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I actually agree with Badger's post. The ARC is the only party who trains and pushes for newbies to get active.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Marokai seems to be forgetting that CK was a ZOMBIE GOVERNOR. He was worse than Daniel Adams, didn't even show up to open the August Booth and was late on the 27th or whatever amendment booth as well.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

some tough decisions had to be made... sorry...

[ ] Antonio V (I)
Jesus Christ Party   

[4] cinyc (I)
No Partisan Affiliation/Independent         

[6] Doctor Cynic (I)
Leipist National Front   

[5] fezzyfestoon (I)     
Progressive Conservative Party 

[1] Hamilton (I)
Atlasia Reform Coalition   

[7] Mr. Moderate (I)   
No Partisan Affiliation/Independent       

[8] Winston Disraeli (I)
Jesus Christ Party  

[2] Libertas
Atlasia Reform Coalition   

[9] NewDealDemocrat   
Jesus Christ Party

[3] Sewer Socialist
Leipist National Front         

I declare Hammy lucky that

• He is not voting for a federal position, and
• I am not full SoFA

If I were, I may well throw his ballot out for marking it up like he did

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

We will be setting the bar lower, and going over our last zombie list. The new bar will be someone who has not posted a post in atlasia longer than a few words since August 1 2009

Understandability, this will take some time to count.