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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2009, 03:39:42 pm »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Another fool who has no idea what the word fascist means.

Much like you.

I use it correctly. People seriously need to drop the whole 'fascist' 'nazi' 'hitler' thing, before it loses all meaning.

You refer to Britain as a police state.

Not all police states are fascist. Try again.

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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2009, 03:42:39 pm »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Another fool who has no idea what the word fascist means.

Much like you.

I use it correctly. People seriously need to drop the whole 'fascist' 'nazi' 'hitler' thing, before it loses all meaning.

You refer to Britain as a police state.

Not all police states are fascist. Try again.

It's a shame the search function is on the fritz.

So all police states ARE fascist in your rather odd version of history?
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2009, 08:36:09 pm »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Please!  Obama inherited this war. He at least has an exit strategy.

al-Qaeda did attack America in the worst possible way, and it must be destroyed. al-Qaeda is anything but innocent. We don't have reasonable means of negotiating with them. If we were to buy them off, then we would be complicit in their next horrors, whether against us or against some country just as undeserving of a 9/11 attack as we were. 
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2009, 07:03:39 am »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Please!  Obama inherited this war. He at least has an exit strategy.

al-Qaeda did attack America in the worst possible way, and it must be destroyed. al-Qaeda is anything but innocent. We don't have reasonable means of negotiating with them. If we were to buy them off, then we would be complicit in their next horrors, whether against us or against some country just as undeserving of a 9/11 attack as we were. 

Why are you talking like a republican now.
Under Bush you were against Afghanistan war?! WTF
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2009, 12:04:38 pm »
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Nobody is gonna primary Obama, except a totally irrelevant like Gravel or LaRouche.
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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2009, 12:06:15 pm »
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Nobody is gonna primary Obama, except a totally irrelevant like Gravel or LaRouche.

I would laugh so hard if LaRouche beat Obama.

Then I would panic, seeing as he's a rabid anglophobe.
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2009, 03:58:31 pm »
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I would laugh so hard if LaRouche beat Obama.

Wouldn't we all?
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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2009, 02:29:55 am »
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Maybe Elizabeth Warren.  I would hope that John Conyers or Maxine Waters runs simply so as to fracture the identity politics camp, maybe paving the way for Warren.
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2009, 11:44:23 am »
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Nobody is going to primary Obama unless he is an utter failure.

If he is, some possibilities:
  • Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH)
  • Sen. Russ Feingold (WI)
  • Gov. Artur Davis (AL)
  • Gov. Mike Beebe (AR)
  • Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
  • total irrelevant Lyndon la Rouche
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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2009, 02:30:34 am »
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Because that guy's biography doesn't scream TOTAL WACKO CRAZY!!!! even more than Kucinich.
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2009, 02:37:23 am »
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Hillary, but only if his approval ratings are consistenly below 40%.
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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2009, 02:38:42 am »
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Howard Dean almost seems to have been positioning himself for this lately...
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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2009, 02:39:38 am »
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Because that guy's biography doesn't scream TOTAL WACKO CRAZY!!!! even more than Kucinich.

That's why he may run.
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« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2009, 05:23:14 am »
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Howard Dean almost seems to have been positioning himself for this lately...

I don't think so.  In fact, the other day he said he'd vote for Obama (although implied that was about all he'd do for him).
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« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2009, 07:31:39 am »
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Howard Dean almost seems to have been positioning himself for this lately...

I don't think so.  In fact, the other day he said he'd vote for Obama (although implied that was about all he'd do for him).

Well its a bit early for a Democratic party establishment figure to be publicly announcing he's going to run against the sitting Democratic president. If Obama's approval ratings go into the toilet over the next 2-3 years, it would not surprise me if Dean decides to run, unless Rahm Emanuel threatens him with bodily harm.
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« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2009, 07:54:51 am »
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"To primary someone" implies winning or at least being competitive to me, not running a counting candidacy to protest the incumbent's politics.

Thus, the answer is, quite clearly, almost certainly nobody.
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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2009, 10:43:33 am »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Please!  Obama inherited this war. He at least has an exit strategy.

al-Qaeda did attack America in the worst possible way, and it must be destroyed. al-Qaeda is anything but innocent. We don't have reasonable means of negotiating with them. If we were to buy them off, then we would be complicit in their next horrors, whether against us or against some country just as undeserving of a 9/11 attack as we were. 


Obama actually campaigned on Afghanistan being the right war.  He doesn't really have an exit strategy.  (I actually tend to support him on this.)

I'm wondering about a challenge from what's left of the Democratic right?
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2009, 03:24:42 pm »
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Answer: there will be no significant challenge to Obama.  (I do not consider Kucinich a significant challenge)

Also, why do people keep mentioning Lyndon LaRouche?  Lyndon LaRouche will be lucky to still be able to run in a physical sense by 2011, let alone run for office.  He'd be 90(!) by Election Day.

EDIT:  Russ Feingold is having too good a time in the Senate to run for President.  At least he has the good sense to be a single serial womanizer, though, so he can't really be clobbered with the family values card.
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2009, 08:06:47 pm »
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The position of Kucinich will be interesting in 2012. There will be a new map and much of his district will go to augment Fudge's black-majority district. Cuyahoga will not have enough population for two whole districts so the part left over from Fudge's district will either have to combine with Lorain or Medina to form a district.

If Kucinich wishes to remain in Congress, he may need more time to campaign in a new district, and would not be able to take the time away for a presidential run. If the district puts him in competition with another incumbent Democrat, he may just decide that a presidential run is the only way to go.
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2009, 09:22:50 pm »
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The position of Kucinich will be interesting in 2012. There will be a new map and much of his district will go to augment Fudge's black-majority district. Cuyahoga will not have enough population for two whole districts so the part left over from Fudge's district will either have to combine with Lorain or Medina to form a district.

If Kucinich wishes to remain in Congress, he may need more time to campaign in a new district, and would not be able to take the time away for a presidential run. If the district puts him in competition with another incumbent Democrat, he may just decide that a presidential run is the only way to go.

I think it would. The 10th district, which Kucinich represents, is surrounded almost entirely by the 11th and 13th districts (and it narrowly borders the 14th). I think that he will most likely gain some land from the 13th district, which is also Democratic.
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« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2009, 09:53:20 am »
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Unless Obama has some sort of crippling incident between now and 2012 (stock collapse, terrorist attack, major scandal, etc.) there will be no serious primary challengers.  It'll all be jokes like Kucinich.
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2009, 10:05:03 am »
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Hopefully Dennis Kuicinich.  Obama is turning into a pro-war fascist who kills innocent muslims, just like Bush.

Please!  Obama inherited this war. He at least has an exit strategy.

al-Qaeda did attack America in the worst possible way, and it must be destroyed. al-Qaeda is anything but innocent. We don't have reasonable means of negotiating with them. If we were to buy them off, then we would be complicit in their next horrors, whether against us or against some country just as undeserving of a 9/11 attack as we were. 

Why are you talking like a republican now.
Under Bush you were against Afghanistan war?! WTF

Y'know, although the argument has lost a great deal of its mass appeal from the way the Bush Administration shamelessly abused and misused as a basis for invading Iraq, the Taliban and al-Queda were closely involved in killing over 3000 Americans on 9/11. There is an undeniable national interest in prosecuting the war in Afghanistan.

Comparing Obama as Bush redux because he is continuing the war in Afghanistan is just plain silly. Obama ALWAYS argued (correctly) as a candidate that the more important Afghan war was hobbled by a drain of men, material and money to an unnecessary war in Iraq, so it's not like he's changed his position since taking office. The key is whether we have a president who views American interests and the use of military power pragmatically with a strong penchant for the power of diplomacy whenever possible (as is clearly not the case with al-Queda). NOT an administration that views military intervention as a necessary crusade to expand US hegemony across the globe and diplomacy as merely a preliminary step to inevitable armed intervention.
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