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« on: December 24, 2009, 11:16:21 AM »

Mr. Egol, a Princeton graduate, had risen to prominence inside the bank by creating mortgage-related securities, named Abacus, that were at first intended to protect Goldman from investment losses if the housing market collapsed. As the market soured, Goldman created even more of these securities, enabling it to pocket huge profits.

Goldman’s own clients who bought them, however, were less fortunate.

Pension funds and insurance companies lost billions of dollars on securities that they believed were solid investments, according to former Goldman employees with direct knowledge of the deals who asked not to be identified because they have confidentiality agreements with the firm.

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Goldman, among others on Wall Street, has said since the collapse that it made big money by using the ABX to bet against the housing market. Worried about a housing bubble, top Goldman executives decided in December 2006 to change the firm’s overall stance on the mortgage market, from positive to negative, though it did not disclose that publicly.

Even before then, however, pockets of the investment bank had also started using C.D.O.’s to place bets against mortgage securities, in some cases to hedge the firm’s mortgage investments, as protection against a fall in housing prices and an increase in defaults.

Mr. Egol was a prime mover behind these securities. Beginning in 2004, with housing prices soaring and the mortgage mania in full swing, Mr. Egol began creating the deals known as Abacus. From 2004 to 2008, Goldman issued 25 Abacus deals, according to Bloomberg, with a total value of $10.9 billion.

Abacus allowed investors to bet for or against the mortgage securities that were linked to the deal. The C.D.O.’s didn’t contain actual mortgages. Instead, they consisted of credit-default swaps, a type of insurance that pays out when a borrower defaults. These swaps made it much easier to place large bets on mortgage failures.
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At Goldman, Mr. Egol structured some Abacus deals in a way that enabled those betting on a mortgage-market collapse to multiply the value of their bets, to as much as six or seven times the face value of those C.D.O.’s. When the mortgage market tumbled, this meant bigger profits for Goldman and other short sellers — and bigger losses for other investors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/business/24trading.html?_r=1

Read the whole article... it's not so clear-cut actually. It raises a number of issues.
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2009, 01:20:45 PM »

I saw this article as well.

Good post!
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 01:42:12 PM »

Isn't it illegal to do that?
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 03:22:42 PM »


No, thanks to the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 passed in the dead of night and signed by President Clinton. It left large swaths of deritives and commodities unregulated.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2009, 06:19:44 PM »


No, thanks to the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 passed in the dead of night and signed by President Clinton. It left large swaths of deritives and commodities unregulated.

Probably this and repealing of Glass-Steagall are most likely the primary causes of the derivatives market exploding 2000+.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2009, 06:25:20 PM »


No, thanks to the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 passed in the dead of night and signed by President Clinton. It left large swaths of deritives and commodities unregulated.

Probably this and repealing of Glass-Steagall are most likely the primary causes of the derivatives market exploding 2000+.

The repeal Glass-Steagal is what everyone mentioned and sure it had an impact but the exploding of the derivatives can be directly connected to the CFMA, which I mentioned, yet no one else seems to mention it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2009, 09:21:27 PM »

And the Gaussian coupla and JP Morgan.

Derivatives, though, are likely here to stay.
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